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Please tell me that pilates came before yoga or that pilates is really specialized abdominally intensive yoga. Or that Pilates is from different roots.
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| There is NO question that Pilates came from Yoga. Dr. Pilates used Yoga knowledge to treat the army injured soldiers. So Pilates is Yoga minus the mental and spiritual aspects.
Also, Pilates is NOT intense at all. It is a mild form of Yoga.
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| Whoa, whoa, whoa...Pilates is not less instense than yoga. I take 2 classes of Pilates and yoga each week. I leave Pilates covered in sweat EVERY time. If you're not, I'd be surprised!
It's more about building muscle strength than stretching muscles, as yoga does. | |
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| I now accept that Pilates can be intense, but considering that one is not doing Advanced Yoga Poses. Try these, variations of Shoulder stands, Try all hand balances and Headbalance Cycles. And, you will find that Pilates can not get as intense in terms of Effort as Yoga.
But, I agree that if one does Pilates for a while, then it can be quite a great workout.
But the mental aspects and spiritual aspects are missing though.
I did not mean offense, I just defined it plainly.
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| kulkarnn - 2004-06-20 1:10 AM
I now accept that Pilates can be intense, but considering that one is not doing Advanced Yoga Poses. Try these, variations of Shoulder stands, Try all hand balances and Headbalance Cycles. And, you will find that Pilates can not get as intense in terms of Effort as Yoga.
But, I agree that if one does Pilates for a while, then it can be quite a great workout.
But the mental aspects and spiritual aspects are missing though.
I did not mean offense, I just defined it plainly.
Neel Kulkarni www.authenticyoga.org
Try doing the complete Pilates repertoire in 40 minutes. I guarantee it is intense.
Pilates can be as intense as Yoga. Anyone who practices Pilates and Yoga, both, with the same intentions and view, will tell you the same thing. This isn't about Pilates vs. Yoga. To claim Pilates isn't as 'intense' is misinformation. | |
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| I apologize if I misinformed. I attended and read Pilates. I did not find it as intense as some of the advanced Yoga work. But, that may be possible.
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| Most Pilates mat classes are (or should be) at the beginner level if they're open to the public classes, because the instructor doesn't know what the participants may know. This changes over time, but generally speaking a beginner can go into a mat class, the instructor should ask if there are any beginners, and then help that person along.....this drops the rest of the class down to a more beginner level. If you go into a class where they are doing advanced mat work and the instructor lets you join in (as a newbie) then you need to leave that class, that's a poor instructor.
I've been working with my group of students and instructors for five years now. We do intermediate and advanced exercises all the time. But our instructor is good enough that she can teach to multiple levels, and gives the modifications to the beginners while we move through the advanced versions. We have closed classes, also, that only people she knows are qualified to participate in can join. There is where you will experience the intensity. Pilates is a wonderful exercise discipline, whereas Yoga is more than just exercise. (I know and respect that). | |
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| From my exeperience, they are equal intensive, but in different ways. Even meditation can be as much as "intensive" if you are trying to gain the full experience. I don't favor one over the other, but I do know each exercise was created for a specific purpose. ^_^
Replying to the first post, Yoga came way before Pilates to my understanding. o_O | |
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| You can get great mental benefit from pilates if you care enough to practice long term.I know this because i've been doing yoga since 2001,and pilates,only in the last 6 months.I'm overjoyed for even attemping pilates as the benefits has been short of outstanding.
Remember,some exercises arent suitable for everyone.
And,pilates isnt yoga at all...
Joseph Pilates developed a unique fitness system combining aspects of martial arts, gymnastics, yoga and ancient Greek training techniques, focusing on the coordination of the body, mind and spirit. 
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| A discussion of which is harder or better is kind of silly.
Facts:
Yoga is like 6000 years old and Pilates is like 80 years old. Pilates definitely borrowed a lot from yoga.
Yoga and Pilates have different focuses and goals. Often pilates is focused on core strength and rehabilitation. Often yoga is based on overall balance, flexibility and strength, meditation as well as union with a divine spirit.
Different people respond differently to different stimuli. Flexible people with weak abs might find pilates more intense than yoga. Conversely, someone who has a strong core and is muscle bound might not break a sweat in a pilates class and be crying in yoga.
Teachers have different styles and intensities. One person can have an intense yoga teacher and a mild pilates teacher and vice versa.
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| if you dont feel your body working during pilates you're probably doing it wrong. you should sweat and feel your muscles working. pilates is a great workout when done correctly. if you have only watched a tape and never been in a class where they are fixing your body positions to make sure you're doing it right you'll never reap the benefits which is a shame. my students work hard and feel it every class. | |
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|  As a Certified Pilates Instructor & having tried various forms of yoga, i feel Pilates is diffinetly safer for the masses since it does require lumbar stabilization(as well as stabilization of the shoulder girdle and awareness of other anatomical issues such as rib cage & pelvis alignment, correct use of breath etc). If you are unaware of how important it is to stabilise the core before u move which none of the yoga classes i have attended did you could do alot of damage to your lower back, neck, joints etc. And if you have ever tried advanced mat work or reformer you will know that it requires not only strength but a great deal of flexibilty and concentration and awareness of what each part of your body is doing and where it is in space. personally and from a professional point of view some of the poses in yoga are damaging to the joints particularly if there is no lumbar stabilization & strength from the core abdominal and spinal muscles. | |
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| I am both a pilates and yoga instructor myself, and to be honest (no offense to anyone), I really don't see the point of having a discussion as to saying which is better--yoga or pilates? It's like comparing apples to oranges, they are different disciplines. Some people like pilates more than yoga, others like yoga more than pilates. Who cares? Different strokes for different folks.
If you do any form of exercise without being aware of your body, you can get injured. The same thing goes for pilates and yoga, if you don't watch what you are doing and don't honour your bodies limits and do the exercises correctly, you can get hurt, so I don't know what you mean exactly when you say,
"Personally and from a professional point of view some of the poses in yoga are damaging to the joints particularly if there is no lumbar stabilization & strength from the core abdominal and spinal muscles."
In my opinion, if you fail to give yourself "lumbar stabilization lumbar stabilization & strength from the core abdominal and spinal muscles," that's your fault, not yoga's. It's like when I tell my pilates students to either do an exercise with a neutral spine, or with a C-curve, and they start doing the exercise without making sure that they have that alignment, of course they are most likely to complain of low back pain because they didn't make sure to do the exercise correctly. The same thing goes for yoga. If you do chatarunga dandasana (four-limbed staff pose), with the elbows out and not tucked in at your sides, you're going to strain your rotator cuffs.
I hope this all made sense and that I wasn't just rambling without any sense. No offense to anyone if this came across as abrasive--if it did, I didn't mean for it to seem like that. | |
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| I'll try to keep my anser brief:
Joseph Pilates (who was in fact a NURSE, not a doctor) based his method of exercise on studies of various disciplines. Among the many disciplines were yoga, gymnastics, boxing, and dance. The Pilates Method (originally called "Contrology") evolved in Germany in the early twentieth century. Since Germany at that time was a hub for physical fitness, bodybuilding, and dance, Joseph Pilates worked with everyone from injured soldiers to elite dancers. In the mid 1920's, he moved to the United States because of politcal pressure to teach his fitness program to the new German Army. He was naturally drawn to New York City because of his previous work with dancers.
Pilates DOES require a great deal of mental focus to practice correctly, as the original Pilates formula for exercise emphasises mindful movement and precision.
The six basic principles that are applied to every Pilates exercise are: breath, concentration, control, centering, precison, and flow.
There are some aspects of Pilates that are rooted in yoga, but calling Pilates a form of yoga is the same thing as calling gymnastics or dance a form of yoga.
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| YogaChick, thanks for the insight and the light you let in on this discussion. Your brief description on the origins of Pilates is probably one of the best summaries of Pilates history I've seen in a while. Good job.
I totally agree with your point that a yoga and Pilates practice depends on what you bring into it--it can be as mild or intense as you want it to be. | |
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| To know Pilates: Read the Original Book by Dr. Pilates, which is called something like 'Contrology'. This is his original book, and I was surprising that out of 26 or some exercises he mentioned, 25 or so are Yoga Poses. Message is clear. it is NOT an original work.
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| I have to say, I have enjoyed doing Pilates in the past and recognized many similarities between it and yoga.
I just received (as a gift) a DVD of Classical Pilates exercises, in the original Joseph Pilates tradition. I did not know that one could modify Pilates so much for physical challenges, I thought it was very strict and rigid - apparently I was wrong!!
This makes me very happy because Pilates is recommended for recovery from abdominal surgery and prevention of incisional hernias. My yoga practice has been quite limited since the surgery because any sort of backbend or twist can become painful very quickly! It is time for me to practice what I preach to my students and allow my body to only do what it is ready for. But, it is slightly frustrating because so many of my favorite yoga poses are painful right now. Maybe it is just because I haven't been doing Pilates every day for so many years, that being able to do anything at all seems so awesome. | |
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| kulkarnn - 2005-02-27 10:23 AMTo know Pilates: Read the Original Book by Dr. Pilates, which is called something like 'Contrology'. This is his original book, and I was surprising that out of 26 or some exercises he mentioned, 25 or so are Yoga Poses. Message is clear. it is NOT an original work.Neel Kulkarniwww.authenticyoga.org No one has ever claimed it was an original work. He wasn't a doctor, either.
Joseph Pilates developed his exercises from many sources, one of which was yoga. He first developed them because he recognized weaknesses in himself, then he used them to help patients in a hospital during WW1. He developed some of his equipment in that hospital to help people rehabilitate themselves. He continued that work in the dance world. Joseph and Clara were extraordinary people who shared their knowledge with anyone who came to them.
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| Dear reinbeau:
With respects to you, Joseph and Clara, I wish to ask you one question. Please answer directly if you feel confortable only?
Have you read the original book by Joseph and Clara Pilates? Did you read any thing by them which states that they developed the Pilates Method based on Yoga or whatever else you think? Did they mention Yoga in it?
Neel Kulkarni
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| Yes, I have the book upstairs and I've read it, it's titled Pilates, Return to Life Through Contrology, and his other titled Your Health: A Corrective System of Exercising That Revolutionizes the Entire Field of Physical Education. He mentions yoga, he mentions other things. | |
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| Dear reinbeau:
Thanks vvery much. I think I will get the first one within a couple of hours. The second one I shall try to get within a couple of days. Can you kindly let me know where in the first book he mentions Yoga. Now,
a) Do you acccept that most of his poses in the first book look like Yoga Poses?
b) Does he mention Yoga in the preface, cover or any visible part of the Book in terms of Introduction to his work?
c) Does he mention or the reviewers of that book in the introduction, cover, preface, etc. mention that his work is original?
I shall wait on you.
Neel Kulkarni
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| kulkarnn - 2005-02-28 1:34 PMDear reinbeau:Thanks vvery much. I think I will get the first one within a couple of hours. The second one I shall try to get within a couple of days. Can you kindly let me know where in the first book he mentions Yoga. Now, a) Do you acccept that most of his poses in the first book look like Yoga Poses?b) Does he mention Yoga in the preface, cover or any visible part of the Book in terms of Introduction to his work?c) Does he mention or the reviewers of that book in the introduction, cover, preface, etc. mention that his work is original?I shall wait on you.Neel Kulkarniwww.authenticyoga.org I guess I have to ask....why? I don't know where he first mentionsYoga, I just know that he acknowledged Yoga as something he drew on. Why is this so important?
I mean no insult, but this bickering whether Yoga or Pilates is better really bothers me. Some prefer Yoga, some prefer Pilates. I've grown to enjoy Yoga better as a result of my Pilates work, but for me I know Pilates is what made the difference for me. Others have different experiences. Propogating this Yoga vs. Pilates thing isn't something I'm interested in.
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| First of all: Neil - now the two books are combined into one volume called "The Pilates Primer: Millenium Edition" which you can get for about $11 on Amazon. I just got my copy yesterday and I think you will enjoy it very much. Joseph's no-nonsense tone reminds me of you!
Second: Reinbeau - I don't think that Neil necessarily means to argue about which is better. I could be wrong because of course I don't know what's in someone else's head. I believe it is a combination of language barrier and a very strict, detailed training that makes him come across more sternly. I think he's really interested in learning more about this subject and since yoga is his main frame of reference, wants to understand in great detail how they are related.
We can all agree that "better" is in the eye of the beholder, and only seek to learn more about as much as possible! | |
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| people tend to get carried away trying to prove one is better than the other. As reinbeau i believe said it's up to the person. one may work better for you one works better for someone else. they both work the body in a similar fashion, with strengthening, etc. yoga is sometimes more for someone that may want to meditate and have more of a spiritual part of it, PIlates people tend to focus more on the physical side of it. hey as long as people are doing something that helps themselves i dont think ot matters which one they do.
there will always be people that want to say one is better than ther other and so what if Joseph Pilates pulled ideas from his practices in Yoga?? He devevloped something that worked better for himself and thought others could benefit from it and they did and continue to do so.
why is it so important for some yoga believers to make Pilates sound bad? I just dont get it.
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| To ALL, but especially to reinbeau, and the last poster:
1. this thread started with a question from vinny and title of the thread probably by the Vinnny. I have no control over that.
2. I replied to that first post based on the original question.
3. Subsequently, certain topics associated with the original topic came and I replied them to the best of my ability.
4. The above trend has continued.
5. I have NOT (assumption!!!) mentioned that Yoga is Better than Pilates. Now, acknowledging that, I can now actually mention that in the true sense Yoga is more effective and encompassing than Pilates. I have no shame or shyness in stating so. In fact, I can mention this: Yoga Exercise is the most efficient and complete Exercise a human has formed ever. The reason is simple. In a true (not styles for say) Hatha Yoga exercise, each part of the system can be properly trained to one's own ability, in a way one's goal can be reached. For example, one may do headstand for balance, another may do it for stretching in an inverted pose, etc, etc.
6. If you look at all my postings under this thread, I have only mentioned what I know for sure, and in a way it addresses the previous post or posts. So, there is NO thought in my mind to harm or insult any one. I actually paid my respects to reinbeau, Joseph and Clara. I have a right to state or ask what I wish to.
7. Lastly, I am sure that if I formed style of exercise where 90 or more percent of exercises are direct copy of Yoga exercises, I will surely mention that in the front introductory part of my book directly.
Peacce
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| Yes Dear MrD:
1. I was hired as the first Yoga Teacher for a big Pilates Institute in Fairfax called, Orichidpagoda. It may still exist, www.orchidpagoda.com. or .org. Except me, all others were Pilates teachers, many of them. Some of them very advanced. I did attend their classes. And, they mine.
2. Currently, there are few Pilates teachers in my Yoga Class.
3. I also watched some Pilate's videos.
4. MyYoga student, and most beautiful, ballet dancer, and a certified Pilates Teacher for Equipment, a german girl gave me private sessions on the Pilates Equipment. I also taught her Yoga Class using that equipment. I did a small video with this girl once which I have. She also taught Pilates Mat.
5. Another famous lady, name xxx, gave me private class on what is called Gyrotonics.
6. I did NOT find a single thing which I could NOT get from my previous Yoga Exercises, I mean a single one from these Pilates Classes.
Neel Kulkarni
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| notice i said "SOME" and did not say "YOU", just chill, dont be so defensive. sheesh Yoga is not for everybody no matter what yoga enthusiasts say and pilates is not for everybody no matter what pilates enthusiasts say. and yes i do both. both enthusiasts should work together not against each other. | |
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| Dear Throwty:
I was not offended by you, so I was not defensive at all. I only made my statements which are neutral and true. I like the way you put it. On the other hand, with all love for you, I shall say:
Yoga is for everybody, in its true form. And, Pilates is also for everybody in its true form, which is a Special Yoga Form, Yoga - spirituality!!!
Neel Kulkarni
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| Neal, I'm sorry if I misread you, and my statement about not liking the Yoga/Pilates comparison was general, not directed at just you.
As far as Yoga being all-emcompassing, that's fine, for you. I took Yoga for years and didn't get what I got out of my first Pilates class. I'm not looking for spirituality, I have that already through nature and Pantheism. I came to Pilates because of a very strained lower lumbar spine that years of chiropractic, physical therapy and Yoga couldn't help. Finally a chiropractor told me to go find a Pilates class, and I've never looked back. That was in August 1999. I'm 48, my back feels like it did when I was a teenager....as a matter of fact, my body looks like it did when I was a teen, before two children. So I am a total convert to Pilates. I do, however, practice Yoga in my home and once a week at a class in my office my company offers. Yoga is great, but it isn't the be-all and end-all for everyone. I'm here on this Pilates forum (yes, I know this is ultimately part of yoga.com) to share, learn and help others.
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| Dear reinbeau and throwty (sp?):
I am glad at the recovery reinbeau received from her Pilates Class and she did not get from her Yoga Class. Now, I must correct my statement as follows:
I was not offended by you, so I was not defensive at all. I only made my statements which are neutral and true. I like the way you put it. On the other hand, with all love for you, I shall say:
Yoga is for everybody, in its true form. And, Pilates is also for everybody in its true form, which is a Special Yoga Form, Yoga - spirituality!!! And, Yoga in its true form is all encompassing and for everybody.
However, Yoga Class is not always what Yoga means in a true form or as needed for a student. Thus a particular Pilates Class which is a special form of Yoga may be actually better than a particular Yoga Class which may not be a very good Yoga Class. In other words my statment about Yoga being more efficient, encompassing, etc is still valid. But, it does not apply to particular Yoga Classes and Pilates Classes.
Neel Kulkarni
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| I was discussing this with my friend and instructor last night. Joseph Pilates studied movement, he studied boxing, dancing, he was in the circus, he worked in a hospital, and he studied Yoga. He put together his repertoire from these studies. You can call it special yoga if you want, but that isn't what it is, it's Pilates.
One of the biggest differences is hyperextension. There is quite a bit of it in Yoga, downward facing dog is hyperextension of the shoulder girdle, upward facing dog hyperextends in the opposite direction. There is no hyperextension in Pilates, joint stabilization is very important. Swimming, for example, is pelvic stabilization and shoulder girdle stabilization, while moving the arms and legs (withouth rocking). The ab series of five is done with the trunk in neutral spine, and stable, while in C-curve, moving the arms and legs in their joints.
The point is Pilates may look somewhat like Yoga, but the principals are quite different. Not better, just different.
Neal, you love Yoga, and that's a good thing. Enjoy your practice.
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| Now, dear reinbeau. You brought up the topic again. So, I am going to comment.
Yes, I agree that Joseph Pilates had movements, dance, boxing and all that background. Wherever he got his background also had some background and so on. And, so on. Now, when he formulated his Contrology Book, he mentions 36 poses, almost all of them are Yoga Poses (let us talk about the differnece in the form later), and not forms such as dancing-boxing-etc., therefore, without any doubt Pilates is based on Yoga Exercises. Also, Yoga Exercises are much older than all these you mentioned. Thus Pilates is without any doubt a special yoga.
Now, the next point is boxing-dancing-swimming- are all used for exercises but they are not actually exercises, they are more sports and exercises by the association. Whereas Pilates and Yoga are not sports, they are exercises. And, recently, they have become little bit of Art, such as Art of Yoga by Iyengar or Partner Yoga, and Yoga-etc.
Now, coming to hyper-extensions, stabilization of joints, neutrality of body parts, all these exist in Yoga as much as they do in Pilates. In Pilates they use that subset. That means Pilates is a subset of Yoga, where as Yoga encompasses hyperextension, neutrality, stabilization, etc. Therefore, I used the term Yoga in a proper sense, not only one style such as Kundalini Yoga which is a name of one recent style.
Iyengar's book has 608 or more actual pictures of him. Dharma Mitra who lives in New York has 1000+ pictures of him in different poses. And, number of Yoga Poses have been counted to more than these, probably thousands. Again, in Yoga apart from muscular body, energy body, mind, intellect, and even the Spirtiual Existence have been completely analysed, experienced and concluded. It is NOT a path on evolution. But, it is a path of conclusion.
Lastly, it is NOT that I love yoga. I also love Pilates equally. However, similar to the fact that I have two daughters, one older and stronger, and the other one younger and weaker, I must make the statement that
There is NO comparison between Pilates and Yoga as far as the efficiency, value, composition is concerned.
And, I still say 'Pilates is a special Yoga'. And, I do that with love for both of them. I can guarantee you that if Joseph Pilates meets me, he will take up to Yoga as a next step.
Neel Kulkarni
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| Neel, we are going to have to agree to disagree. It's obviously very important to you to believe that Pilates is special Yoga. Whatever. Believe as you will. | |
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| reinbeau:
1. I do not have to believe in it. Because, I know for sure it is a Special form which means it is subset, and it is mostly based on Yoga.
2. And, the above is my answer to the original question from vinny. This answer is same as before others posted their views on it.
3. My answer to her has not caused any changes to myself upward or downwards, as my answer is sure and NOT based on belief.
4. Since, there are no questions, I shall be mute.
Neel Kulkarni
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| Neil,
Now please understand that my yoga experience is only based on what I read about or see in class, but in one respect it is quite different than yoga, in my opinion. When we do yoga "ab" work it is much more static. than Pilates. Yoga goes into a position, then holds it. Pilates almost always involves constant movement. Breathing is involved in Pilates, but takes quite a few different forms. It's always been done in my class during some exercises, but not all, and never by itself. Pilates to me just feels like exercise, where yoga at times can be much more. So isn't Pilates more different than similar to yoga? | |
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| Mr. D, you are correct, Pilates is all about movement. It's very different than Yoga. I've practiced both, and do understand the difference. | |
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| This is an answer to the question by MrD.
Dear MrD: I acccept what you stated as your experience in your Pilates and/or Yoga class. However, as I wrote earlier, your Yoga Class is only one kind of Yoga Class, whereas as you yourself wrote and I know for sure, Yoga is a very vast subject. Now, Pilates as you wrote is different from Yoga only because your pilates class is different from your Yoga Class. However, all the pilates ideas at the conception of Pilates came from Yoga as you can clearly see from the original works produced on this subject. For this, please again read my previous postings. So, to state what I stated earlier in differnt words:
Pilates is a special form of yoga, because it was conceptualized as a subset of Yoga, mainly Yoga - mind. And, a particular Yoga class may be different from or even worse than a particular Yoga class.
Now, the breathhing in Pilates has the same logic. And, same with movements. In Yoga there are ways to do with movements, and there are ways to do with breathing during movements, etc. For example, if you look at Ashtanga Yoga Style, you will find that they are moving quite a lot. And, also breathing while moving.
Neel Kulkarni
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| I wonder how you'd respond, Neel, if I spent my time spreading misinformation about Yoga? I think you'd be outraged. You're beginning to outrage me.
Pilates is NOT a special form of Yoga. You are not doing yourself or Yoga any favors by repeating this.
No one is disparaging Yoga. Please stop spreding misinformation about Pilates.
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| Guys do you realise this thread has been going since June 2004 ? Why should it even matter whether pilates is a subset of yoga or not ? Unfortunately I think Vinny's original post is a bit confusing.
Just to add my two cents worth ( having done a bit of pilates in the distant past ), the movement and breathing in pilates and astanga yoga are totally different. And there were lots of things I did in pilates that I haven't done in yoga ( 3 years on/off Iyengar, 3 months of Bikram, 18 months of Astanga ) - eg rollups, the whole abdominal sequence, not to mention the reformer.
Can't people just accept that pilates is a wonderful and safe thing for people who need injury rehab, who don't need to worry about whether they are flexible/fat/as good as the next person across the mat.
Anyway this is a pilates site not a pilates vs yoga vs whatever else site. 
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| Since reinbeau asked a question, I must reply, as I did in the past too.
If she spreads misinformation on Yoga or whatever, the first thing I shall decide is to see whether it is worth my time to correct it. If I find it is worth, I shall correct it, without bothering whether it is reinbeau who is doing or anyone else. I do not care whether a Yoga Teacher does it or even Joseph Pilates for that matter. When, I correcc that information, I shall make statements with my logic in it. Readers have choice to or not to, Read it, Accept it, Reject it. ETC.
If the above method outrages someone, I have nothing to say. The outraged is always at a loss as the rage (anger) first hurts the person who gets angry and only optionally hurts the other, who is the subject of the anger. It means the sure loser is the angry person, and optionally the subject. In this case, I am NOT at any loss.
Now, for the last poster. I did not mean Ashtanga Breathing is same as Pilates Breathing. Ashtanga was an example given to show that there exists a movement as well as breathing. This was in response to previous post.
Let me put it in another way, if that helps. If this does not help, I shall NOT post any more on this topic:
If you look at Joseph Pilates Book on Contrology, written in 1945 or so. You shall find almost 35 out of 36 poses resemble Yoga Poses. Now, this is regardless of his all other experience such as dance, circus, swimming, whatever. And, this is NOT a coincidence. And, that is why Pilates came from Yoga. And, all the differences such as absence of mental training, spirituality, chanting, ease of movements, focus on rehab, adjusting for weak persons, etc are all matter of subset.
Neel Kulkarni
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| I think this thread has outlived its purpose. This is a Pilates forum frequented by Yoga practioners and the posts will have a yoga bias.
My wife used Rainbeau's prenatal yoga DVD during pregnancy and loved it. So I believe having practiced both disciplines she probably understands the differences better than yoga practioners.
Everybody accepts that Yoga's origins come from an ancient spiritial heritage and Hatha Yoga, the physical component, is but one branch in the vast tree of yoga. Pilates' origins are clearly recent and it was developed for restorative purposes. In terms of the importance of coordination of breath and moment, called vinyasa krama in sanskrit, it has definitely drawn inspiration from yoga.
I think Neel's strong views that Pilates is a derivative of Yoga clearly come across and Rainbeau's strong views to the contrary come across too.
So can we call this a draw and retire this thread?
Namasthe
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| In reply to Bomberpig, this is actually a Pilates forum hosted on Yoga.com. Most of the posters here are knowledgable and good at sharing, and many seem very knowledgable about Pilates (for this forum's purpose) but some let ego get in the way. It's a pity.
There are other Pilates forums, [url]=http://www.pilatesconnections.com/wforum/index.php]Pilates Connections is a good one, where discussions concentrate on Pilates and the various styles practiced.
I guess I thought it was worth trying to mitigate Neel's erroneous insistance that Pilates is special Yoga. I don't want to cause further disruption, but I have to say this: Just because something resembles something doesn't make it the same. Look at the Monarch butterfly, which is poisonous, and the Viceroy, which resembles it. If a predator eats the Monarch, it'll die. The Viceroy benefits from the resemblence, but that's it. While they're both butterflies, they're two different kinds. Yoga and Pilates are forms of exercise (Yoga being much more than that, but I'm simplifying for the sake of this discussion). But they are different exercise disciplines.
And on that note I'll leave this thread. I know Neel has to have the last word, so let him have it.
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pilates is special yoga?