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| I have read in quite a few threads that many people go to studios that stay at around 100-105 degrees. It is not uncommon for my local studio to be at 110-116 during the warmer months and tonight it was consistantly 116 for 2/3rds of the class. Currently I am working out the kinks from a hamstring injury so for me the heat is welcome. I am a little concerned though, having read so many threads that seem to be anti-extreme heat. So....in your experiences, how hot is too hot?
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| I'm curious how you know the exact temperature of the classroom. We have a thermostat in the classroom at our studio, but it is not accurate. I'm not even sure why we keep it in there, since it seems to only distract people.
I would say that it is probably too hot in the room if you are struggling early on in the series and notice a lot of students, seasoned & otherwise, starting to sit postures out. As a teacher it is sometimes difficult to guage the heat, since we are not practicing at the time. However, watching students and getting a general consensus helps us decide whether a door needs to be cracked, fans need to be turned on/off, etc.
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Location: New York | I taught a class yesterday yesterday where the temp gauge (which I think is fairly accurate) stated 102 w/50% humidity. It was a silent class so I practiced with the group and I found it unbearable. With lower humidity (30ish), 105 is the point at which I think it becomes too much. However, I have become much less tolerant of the heat over the past 4 years that I've been practicing Bikram (I've been an instructor for 3), to the point that next week is my last week of classes. I love my students and will miss them but I can't take the heat anymore.
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| I can see the snese in having a room warm enough to encourage the muscles to releax and for comfortable relaxation or meditation. Since hearing about Bikram, I've been wanting to ask.... why the very high temperatures/humitity?
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | 116 is worse than a torture chamber!!!! As much as I LOVE my Bikram practice, I will not do it in a room over 100 degrees, and 95 is really enough. These studios are f-ing crazy!! It is not necessary and I doubt they will stay in business that long, no one is going to tolerate that kind of heat..especially us *Pitta* Dosha Americans. I Love my home practice in the mountains with my 2 little space heaters and my hot tub! It's never too late for you to start a home practice for doing Bikram yoga you guys! |
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| I appreciate the feedback. We have many thermostats in the studio and from my favorite spot in class, it is in my eyeline during the first water break. I usually look after class as well.
As for struggling in class...I don't. I am retired dancer and used to long rehearsals in no air conditioning but I was curious if there could be any long term problems with getting this much heat.
I really wish that I could also practice at home but I live in NYC and there is barely room in my apartment for myself. 
It is interesting that out here it seems that the hottest studios are the most popular. Maybe due to the large number of dancers and performers using Bikram as therapy???? |
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| Just curious if anybody knows what Bikram's exact guidelines are regarding the temperature in Bikram Yoga studios.
Do the teachers have the flexibility of lowering the temp if they see fit? Has anybody consistently taught Bikram Yoga in lesser heat and noticed any difference?
Also what is a silent class?
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Location: New York | Here is what is says on Bikram's website in the FAQ's in response to the question "What is the recommended temperature for Bikram yoga?"
"A. The recommended temperature is 105 degrees and about 60% humidity.
The room is kept at this temperature to keep the body from overheating (contrary to popular belief), protect muscles to allow for deeper stretching, detoxify the body (open pores to let toxins out), thin the blood to clear the circulatory system, increase heart rate for better cardiovascular workout, improve strength by putting muscle tissue in optimal state for reorganization, and reorganize lipids (fat) in the muscular structure."
To me, 105 w/60% humidity is excruciatingly hot. In that sort of heat, I do not have a good experience- it becomes all "mind over matter", how I can WILL myself to stay in this room. Ugh. (And this is a total aside, but how exactly does the high heat "reorganize lipids in the muscular structure." I'm sorry- but that sounds like gibberish. Did I miss this part in TT? My Cat's Mom? Dee? Anyone?)
Anyhoo . . .like Cyndi, I prefer no hotter than 100. But if, God forbid, the temp drops that low, the students are all "It's not hot enough" and "I'm not even sweating" (which I totally don't get- how can you not sweat just standing there in 100 degree heat?!). As tinyone said, the hottest studios are indeed the most popular (I'm not in NYC but in the NYC suburbs).
At my studio, we do have the ability to lower the temp to a certain extent. We have supplemental heaters in addition to the regular heat. I have practiced in really hot rooms (teacher training- ugh) and in rooms in the high 90s/maybe 100 and my practice is tons better and more enjoyable in lower heat.
A silent class is one where the teacher practices with the students rather than delivering the "dialogue". It's not totally silent, because the teacher will indicate how long to hold the poses and when to change. It's also criminal per Bikram himself (my bad!)
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| Hot yogi.
Here is Bikram recommendation from his website.
A. The recommended temperature is 105 degrees and about 60% humidity.
The room is kept at this temperature to keep the body from overheating (contrary to popular belief), protect muscles to allow for deeper stretching, detoxify the body (open pores to let toxins out), thin the blood to clear the circulatory system, increase heart rate for better cardiovascular workout, improve strength by putting muscle tissue in optimal state for reorganization, and reorganize lipids (fat) in the muscular structure.
While I teach do not teach Bikram yoga, I do teach a series that has the same original base (84 Classic asanas). I teach in temp ranging from 85-90 degree and see the same results. I believe that the extreme heat is not neccessary, it is the asanas and how you practice them that gets you the benefits. I personally like a warm to hot room, but not over the body temp.
As a side note, Bikram himself when first started teaching yoga in the Us and Tokyo kept them room around 85-90. I believe it was not until the mid 80 did he start pumping up the room temp. |
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| Thanks jackiecat.
It''s great that you lower the heat and you can take a break from the "dialogue" and actually demonstrate to your students.
Like you, i can't understand how anybody can say 100 is not hot and they don't break a sweat. Heat junkies, I say.
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| Thanks Yogabrian. 80-90 sounds like an optimal temperature range.
Based on some of your earlier posts, I presume you teach Tony Sanchez's method. Do you teach the Yoga Challenge I system or have you modified Tony's series.
I had actually sent Tony an email a few months ago asking, if one wanted to introduce inversions (plough, shoulderstand and fish) as part of the Yoga Challenge I series, at what point in the sequence is it best to be done. I guess he was relocating to Mexico at that time and shot me a quick note saying he would get back. He's probably forgotten, but in his note he told me to to get the Yoga Challenge II tape 
ANy thoughts on inversions in the Yoga Challenge I system? |
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| I like heat, but when it becomes about just hanging in there to get through the class, I draw the line too. I want to enjoy the poses and feel like I can work on them or what's the point? Perhaps some people do have a higher threshold, but I've noticed, unfortunately, that some of the complainers about the temperature at my place seem to be in there more for the calorie burning than yoga.
As far as Yoga Challenge 2 - I have the tape and he doesn't do shoulderstand or plough in it. The only inversion I recall, though it's been a couple of weeks since I've done it, is camel into rabbit, like Bikram. It's a good tape; but I just have to look in awe at his lotus series though since it's so way beyond me right now. |
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| I have been doing Bikram Yoga for seven weeks now, and I actually like the heat. When the temperature is 105-110, I start sweating during the breathing excercise and am usually drenched when I start doing the padahastasana posture. On some days, when the room is clearly cooler (~ 100), I don't sweat as much and I start noticing the difference during the fourth (Eagle ) posture, when I am not able to get my legs wrapped around. On hotter days, it does not seem to be a problem. We could probably debate forever about the ideal temperature range, but for me, even 100 degrees is not hot enough for flexibility.
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| Setting the thermostat at 105 is one thing. Keeping it there during a Bikram class is another thing. The classes are usually crowded and 105 feels like it soars to 120'.
Also, what is the rule about having live plants in the room? I get a little freaked out by all the stale air being exhaled. Maybe the plants wouldn't like it so hot.
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| Plants in the room? I have never seen that. |
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| I find it perfect at 104 at 45%. I have a theory on the heat. The mind runs a constant charge through the body in the waking state. When the temps in yoga class get high, that charge can not run through the body the same. The base energy of the mind will determine at what point the heat start to be overwelming. The mind, wanting to keep its false hiearchy and control, will put people into a panic or anything to get it from being discovered. Every class I watch peoples minds freak out with a lot of negative energy being released. And the students klinging onto this negative energy for dear life subconscouisly thinking their dying. It is like the mind starts to decouple from the body and if the person is heavily identified with the mind then they have a hard time.
I do beleive anything above 105 is taking away from the yoga and is then a sauna experience, which is good, just not HATHA yoga. The mind would have to get real riggid to do it and becomes very competetive, holding the body to do the yoga. Fighting the heat.
The heat use to drive me nuts in the 110 and up studios. I would have to sit down alot. It culminated to an amazing experience. Over time I would reduce the mental fighting and just let go. One day while standing I went into a complete blackout with out the panic. In the blackout, my sense a space expanded and I could feel the earth much more. But I felt like I was brain dead and fully awake at the same time. I did not feel like I was my body anymore as an experience , compared to just a belief. And since then I have had increased ability to be spiritually centered. What ever that means. It is like my etheric template (centered in the neck) was reformed to be organized around spirit insted of the human social template it was formed into, growing up. 
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| I've never seen plants either. I do think the oxygen levels must go down quite a bit, especially the second class of the evening. I suspect it's one reason why people have noticed that hiking tougher terrain is easier, though that's just a guess. Since I'll be backpacking this summer in Wyoming at a high elevation, I'm hoping Bikram will help me train a bit for it in that regard. |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Ooh, plants love tropical humid heat. Anyone ever been to a butterfly house?? There is one down in middle Ga at Callaway Gardens...talk about humid and hot. The plants flourish along with the butterflies and the tropical birds in there. My Yardbird loves this kind of heat...not I. However, I often wonder what it would be like to do Bikram in South America down in the Rainforest??? Save lots of $$$ on electricity bills 4 sure. Course, we would have to learn how to not use our mirrors  |
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| Innerline, in a 110 degree heat induced black out, you were probably hallucinating
I think it is just a matter of time before somebody trademarks the term Sauna Yoga  |
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| I have been to a butterfly house on Kelley Island just across the Canadian border/Lake Erie Area, I think. It was amazing. The experience made me committed to searching out activities that made me feel free. |
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| Innerline, do you suppose that some people adapt better to inense heat than others?
I know I would much rather be hot than cold and if I had my choice, I would be living in a tropical climate. Mentally, I am not bothered too much by the heat...I seem to be pretty calm and in a zone during my yoga practice (it is my time away from the world, ya know?) I just recognize the effects on my physical self. My cheeks are the color of tomatoes and my skin stays pretty warm even hours after my shower. |
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| What is hallucinating? What is reality? What is NOT REAL? Thoughts and dreams are just as much apart of reality. Just some people don't think their real, but they have them everyday. Go figure.  |
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| Hot yogi,
Much of the series is I teach does resemble the Yoga challenge 1. I do edit as I see fit according to general class ability and skill level. The core of the class will be the same but there may be variations of the asanas added. I no longer just stick to strict series.
I absolutely would not introduce inversions to the beginner series. The chance of injury at the beginner level is too great. The inversions in the Yoga challenge system and in the 84 asanas comes are considered very advances poses and come at the end the systems.
Before you mix and match, I would purchase all of Tony's videos. Try them all out starting from #1 and moving to #4. When you can do the #4 with a good degree of skill then try mixing and matching.
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| Cyndi,
Is a Yardbird a tropical plant? If so, thanks for the suggestion. Can you imagine doing Bikram in a greenhouse with all that O2? Oh my gosh! Talk about getting high...
3 years ago when I began my committment to Bikram I used to like the high it gave me, which was different from a runner's high. More like a Whirling Dervish high. Since I'm a bit more seasoned and more grounded, Bikram feels like a sweatlodge high to me now. Sometimes there are really uncomfortable moments in Bikram and I think of it partly as growth and partly as atonement of my sins (or bad karma). Then, like Innerline mentioned, I just let myself be hot. Just be hot. I tell myself it's ok to be uncomfortable. Freaking out makes it worse. I'm a bit of a fraud, though, b/c I hate being cold and I have a hard time telling myself to just be cold. Just a mind-thing, I suppose. Have a great weekend everyone
fifi PS - what's a butterfly house? I'm going to feel really stupid if it's a house for butterflies |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Fifi,
I'm sorry, Yardbird is a 38 year old Festive Festiva Amazon Parrot. He loves tropical weather and you should see him when he's taking a warm shower. He spreads all of his feathers out and dances around the falling water...its a trip. His species comes from the area around the Amazon River in South America - this particular parrot species is known for being a river bird, whereas some just hang out more in the forest.
Yes, a butterfly house is exactly what you thought...its a house for butterflies If you ever get a chance, go in one. I love it! I actually like to sweat and feel the heat and it is the perfect climate controlled area for Bikram. I think the humidity and heat is perfect in a butterfly house. I always feel somewhat healthier after breathing the air and walking around the butterfly house. Who knows maybe I am a butterfly and thats why I like Bikram so much I'm going to ask exactly how hot they keep it and the humidity the next time I visit, that would be an interesting question. Although, they have these glass panels that are in direct sun, kinda like a greenhouse type effect as well, along with a flowing man made fountain. I guess I need to shut up now since I told Lora B that humans could not duplicate the rainforest, But, You know what I mean, right Lora B???? |
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| Thanks for your suggestions, yogabrian.
I believe that inversions are considered very advanced asanas in the Bishnu Ghosh lineage. Can't understand why though.
I think like Bikram's series the Yoga Chalenge I is a pretty comperhensive workout and does give the benefits of inversions from the other poses.
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| I tried putting a plant in my studio that someone told me couldn't be killed. Within 36 hours the leaves all started turning black. I considered tropical plants - orchids, bromeliads, cacti - but even those plants don't live in constant heat. Rain forests and deserts both get cool at night. I use radiant heat panels which take so long to heat the room up in the winter that I have to leave them on all the time. I don't believe there is a plant alive that can survive that but I would love for someone to prove me wrong.
As for temperature and humidity: at my studio, we strive for 105 and 35%. If the humidity is low I let the heat get a little higher and when the humidity is high I lower it a few degrees. I've been in dry studios that were 115 degrees and felt fine (Sedona, for instance) but I've also been in humid studios that were 100 degrees and had a very difficult time (Key West). Part of it is conditioning, but part of it is also just body type. I know people for whom it's never hot enough and others for whom it's always too hot. It's not for everybody.
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Well Eric,
What you said about killing plants tells me that the artificial heat and humidity that the studios try to duplicate will eventually kill humans:~) Seriously, in a butterfly house, the plants and critters thrive and it has a Bikram feel to it, very extremely hot and humid, but it seems so healthy and somewhat different. Next time your around Pine Mountain at Callaway Gardens, stop in the Butterfly house and you'll see. I really am going to ask them exactly what they do to get the *perfect like* environment. Interesting. |
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Location: A Blue State | Cyndi - 2005-05-14 6:53 AM
Well Eric,
What you said about killing plants tells me that the artificial heat and humidity that the studios try to duplicate will eventually kill humans:~) .
That's worth thinking about, IMHO.... |
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| Bay Guy - 2005-05-14 10:34 AM
Cyndi - 2005-05-14 6:53 AM
Well Eric,
What you said about killing plants tells me that the artificial heat and humidity that the studios try to duplicate will eventually kill humans:~) .
That's worth thinking about, IMHO....
Not really, unless you're planning on camping out in the studio. The plant in question was in a heated room constantly for 2-3 days (I don't remember how long exactly) but the main point was that the high heat was on 24 hours a day. I don't know about y'all but I make it a habit to sleep in a house with very comfortable temperatures.
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Location: A Blue State | I was talking to an expert in muscular physiology this week,
and he mentioned the following fact about muscles and temperature:
When muscles are cold, the chemical conversion of ATP to energy is
slower (the reaction kinetics being temperature dependent). This is
why your muscles may feel sluggish if you jump into cold water and
try to swim. They are indeed sluggish, owing to the slow reaction
rates at low temperature.
This fact is [of course] consistent with the common observation that
muscles work more effectively when they "warm up". And, of course,
you can warm them up by doing some preliminary stretches or
sun salutations...or by sitting in a hot space until your muscles
warm up. So count this in favor of doing yoga in a warm room.
I asked him about "flexibility" in this context, and he said
that the elasticity of muscle was not dependent on temperature.
However, I wasn't sure that he really understood what I meant
by "flexibility"...we yogis all know that a muscle is more supple
once "warmed up" than when we take that first stretch. [He was
referring to what might happen if you put a sample of tissue into
an apparatus for measuring its stress-strain curve.] I didn't
want to get into details with this fellow, as I suspect that he
regards physical activities as distinctly inferior to intellectual
ones!
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | ebenjen - 2005-05-14 10:22 PM
Not really, unless you're planning on camping out in the studio. The plant in question was in a heated room constantly for 2-3 days (I don't remember how long exactly) but the main point was that the high heat was on 24 hours a day. I don't know about y'all but I make it a habit to sleep in a house with very comfortable temperatures.
I don't run my A/C in the summertime, I hate controlled environments..mainly cold ones. Like in the summertime, your used to the warm air and then all of a sudden your blasted in the grocery store with Frigid air...talk about using the earth's energy.
Anyway, I still think there is something to think about here about the tropical environments...such as the controlled "Butterfly" house. Those plants thrive with just the right amount of heat and humidity..that is even hotter than a Bikram studio, or at least it feels like it because of the mix. I think the Bikram studios don't have the correct ratio of heat:humidity and that is why it is so awful to do the pratice there....and I bet not all Bikram studios are the same as far as the level of heat vs humidity due to environment, locations, etc. Oh well, this is very interesting. |
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BIKRAM YOGA is NOT a natural environment for humans. it is an artificial environment created for a specific purpose.
frankly, it's not designed to make you all comfy with warm fuzzies. Bikram yoga is about burning the karma- activating the tapas internally with asanas while heating the body externally. As far as Bikram yoga is concerned...Butterfly houses are warm and a little humid. the idea of butterflies and yoga is very sweet. But, it ain't Bikram.
i can hear him now... "what the F*%K is butterfly and yoga?"
just because plants cant live in yoga hot rooms does not mean people are going to die in the hot room. Could you reach a little farther out there??? Is there no end to Bikram Studio Bashing Here??? Just because you are not comfortable in the hot room heat and humidity ratio does not mean it is WRONG- it means YOU don't like it. If it's not hot- it's not bikram!
dee
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| Wow Darla--you are one ticked off yoginin ain't ya? Atta girl! Hey, did you pay Jerry Garcia's estate a royalty for that mondo graphic on your site's home page? Non sequiter--you gonna be at your studio the couple of weeks after 4 July? I want to spend a few days in Houston sampling all the yoga there to complete my teacher certification. |
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Location: A Blue State | Bruce, you have to give us a full report on Darla's place, and
especially whether she gets mad at you for any clever remarks
that might pop out your mouth. BTW, I do believe that Bush senior
lives in the general vicinity of Darla's place, so you might have the
opportunity to meet him at one of her classes.
After Darla throws you out, do sample the yoga around Houston
and tell us what you think. There's an Iyengar community (which
you mentioned is absent is SA), there's a pair of big Bikram studios,
there's a guy named Yannas who teaches Ashtanga (tejasyoga.com),
and there's Robert Boustany....probably tons more that I don't know
anything about....David Swenson is sort of based in Houston, but I'm
not sure that he teaches much there.
BG
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Bruce, you have to give us a full report on Darla's place, and
especially whether she gets mad at you for any clever remarks
that might pop out your mouth. BTW, I do believe that Bush senior
lives in the general vicinity of Darla's place, so you might have the
opportunity to meet him at one of her classes.
After Darla throws you out, do sample the yoga around Houston
and tell us what you think. There's an Iyengar community (which
you mentioned is absent is SA), there's a pair of big Bikram studios,
there's a guy named Yannas who teaches Ashtanga (tejasyoga.com),
and there's Robert Boustany....probably tons more that I don't know
anything about....David Swenson is sort of based in Houston, but I'm
not sure that he teaches much there.
BG
How FUNNY!!!!
yeah, Bruce. don't even bother coming- I'm just gonna boot you out anyway!!! LOL!
i cant wait to meet you Bruce, and bay guy is right (about houston yoga- but not about me I'm a real sweetheart!) there are several nice teachers here- i am happy to help you find one-
LOOK! There's one NOW! (lookin' the mirror!!!)
thanks for keeping me light!!
peace!
dee
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no bushes here...just tree (poses)
FYI:
a certain "out-of-favor ex-wife" from the "B" clan used to come to my studio. 1999-2001
she was ALWAYS late and always LOUD entering class.
she became more and more paranoid as Dub was in the white house and as her beautiful daughter became more and more popular.
it got so bad she asked me to stop calling her by her first name during class.
mrs. bush? of course not.
mrs. b? no.
let's just say i ended up calling her by a nick name for her real first name.
after 9/11 we never saw hide nor hair of them bushes again.
too bad. they sure need the yoga.
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| Oh boy--doing Houston in July--Miss Dee's fine place & John Friend--wanna learn from the Ansura source (Christine will be so proud of me). I know the Houston Bikram owners--they're great folk--may have to drop in there as well...but first, a month more of Ashtanga then June teacher training intensive--I'm gonna be a lean, mean (beer drinking) yoga machine come August...or dead. |
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| Oh yeah, Bay Guy, I've never actually been thrown out of a yoga facility--once early in my yoga career, an unnamed Bikram instructor did pull me aside and sweetly whisper, "Your challenge today is to not say anything." That got my attention--and all seriousness aside, I'm actually a good student--respect the other yogis practice--before and after tho, I'm pretty vocal. |
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Too hot?