Need help with my oral hygiene
Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-16 7:44 PM (#52847)
Subject: Need help with my oral hygiene


I am a 20 year old Male.

My big problem first of all is that lately I have been noticing the taste of my mouth becoming more bitter than normal, and I find myself periodically trying to clean my mouth with my tongue when my mouth doesn't feel that clean. While I do this cleaning and general roaming of my mouth I can smell a bad breath roaming around in there. It isn't horrible, but it gets me nervous since I am at an age where I plan to be more active in dating.

Let me first give as much info as I can about whatever happens to my mouth.

My diet consists of this everyday:

Breakfast - 2 Tuna Fish sandwiches (Whole Wheat bread, the tuna for the sandwiches come from one can)
- 1 Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich (Whole Wheat bread)
- 1 Cup (Or a bit over a cup's worth) of Non Fat Milk.

Lunch - 1 Power Bar (I usually eat the Peanut Butter or Oatmeal raisin flavored ones)
- 1 Non Fat Yogurt (Dannon brand, various flavors)

Dinner - 1 light meal (This meal can be anything, but I keep it light and nothing too fatty)
- 1 Can of Tuna.
- I usually chomp down some snacks (I just got off of fatty snacks and I stick to baked snacks such as Goldfish crackers)
- Fruits (never a set amount, I just chomp down on a couple bananas, apples, strawberries etc.)
- 1 Cup of Non Fat Milk (Or a bit over 1 cup)

I also drink 2 quarts+ of water throughout the day.



I brush 2 times a day mainly (3 times on weekends), I use Colgate toothpaste and for the past month I have been using Arm & Hammer Advanced Whitening toothpaste on the side, but I stopped using it a couple days ago. I also use Listerine and for the past 2 months I have been actively scrubbing my tongue daily because I let it go bad I think. I also use a cheap tongue scraper sometimes after scrubbing my tongue. No matter what I do since those past 2 months, the white grime of my tongue doesn't completely go away, it kind of regenerates over the course of the day

I brush my teeth when I wake up and I goggle with Listerine, and then I eat my breakfast (see above), I do not brush again after I eat. Throughout the day I do nothing but drink water, and then I have my light lunch as you can see above and that is about it. When I arrive home, I eat what I eat as can be seen above, and then I brush my teeth about 1-2 hours later. I do not goggle with Listerine after my night brushing. I do not actively floss, but I do have a floss that is attached to a handle.

Could my bad breath, bitter taste in my mouth be caused by the tuna I eat? Not brushing after I eat in the morning? Bad diet? (Although this diet is essential to my workouts)? Something wrong with my mouth? My tongue may need harder cleaning practices? etc. etc.

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.

Edited by Howdythere 2006-05-16 7:47 PM
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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-16 7:45 PM (#52848 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


I also drink chocolate flavored Nutrament drink once in awhile (1-2 times a week, if that)
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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-16 7:51 PM (#52849 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


stop eating tuna and bread
get yourself a sonicare toothbrush

go with some oatmeal for breakfast

stop drinking milk

stay away from dairy

that might fix it, or maybe not, but it's worth a try.
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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-16 8:23 PM (#52850 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


No milk and tuna?

That cuts off like 46g of my protein

No bread? thats like 16g of protein

Maybe I have to resort to protein supplements if I am to cut down on my big protein pumpers.

Thanks for the help thornley.

Anyone else have additional info?
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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-16 8:31 PM (#52851 - in reply to #52847)
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the coating on your tongue sounds like dairy

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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-16 8:57 PM (#52852 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


Well I didn't drink any milk for a couple of weeks, and the coating would still regenerate.

I did not take the best care of my tongue for MANY years (childhood negligence), so I figured it would be tough to get off, but then I doubt years of negligence was that big of a problem because I did drink water etc. that washes my tongue out, so I figured it was more of a daily diet thing instead of a "many years of neglegence" thing.

Do you still think it is milk? I am not sure myself.

P.S - When I say I didn't take the best care of my tongue, I mean I didn't scrub or scrape it. It's been around 6 months that I have been actively scrubbing it, and around 1 month that I have been actively scraping it along with the scrubbing. I would scrape my tongue over and over, close my mouth and then reopen and the coating would still be there although it was dull, and most of it was gone for the most part, but then it would regenerate over the course of the day.

Edited by Howdythere 2006-05-16 9:00 PM
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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-16 9:08 PM (#52853 - in reply to #52852)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


I forgot one big thing.

I use retainers, I put them on after I brush every night, and take them off every morning before I brush my teeth.

The retainers have years of food stains, I was stubborn when I was young and when I first got the retainers. My father would tell me not to eat with them on etc. but I would still be lazy and just take poor care of them. They still fit my mouth and I still wear them, but there are a good amount of year old food stains on them. Although, do note I have been wearing them with the food stains for years now, and I recently found this change in my oral hygiene here.
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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-16 9:15 PM (#52854 - in reply to #52853)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


Come to think of it, I never drank non fat milk before, and I started drinking my first cup of it about a week or so ago, and this bad breath etc. started happening a couple days ago.

It kind of makes sense, I will quit the milk for now altogether and see what happens.

It's only 8g of protein a cup, I can make that up some other way.
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tourist
Posted 2006-05-17 12:49 AM (#52859 - in reply to #52854)
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You could check with your doctor or dentist. There are conditions like thrush (a fungal infection) that are easily curable. Do you practice yoga?
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*Fifi*
Posted 2006-05-17 12:49 AM (#52860 - in reply to #52847)
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Hi Howdythere,

Your kidneys could use a break from all that protein.

Drink a freshly juiced 1 oz shot of wheatgrass juice. I glanced over your diet and I didn't see much produce - fruits and veggies. I eat by colors - some red, green, yellow/orange and blue EVERYDAY at least. Big on greens. Can't say enough about greens. Eat your greens! Eat a tomato every morning with your tuna. That's red.

I realize you're only 20 years old and buying a $5.00 little container of blueberries might cut into your budget but it's a good source of blue. Blue is really important, as is purple. Hello cabbage!

Look, I don't know any other way except to prepare your own food. Again, being 20, this could pose a logistical problem. But nothing is impossible.

The coating on your tongue canNOT be scraped off. It represents the state of your stomach (and spleen but mostly stomach). It should be thin and white. Look at a child's tongue; it's probably pink with a thin white coating (unless the parents have poisoned the kid with fruit loops).

Please eat from friggin' vegetables so your poor digestive system can function properly.

[all the info about tongues comes from the Chinese medical system of diagnostics {I didn't even touch on cracks or teethmarks on the tongue}]

fifi

P.S. FLOSS everyday, too.
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Nick
Posted 2006-05-17 4:57 AM (#52872 - in reply to #52854)
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hi Howdy,
You need about 50 g of protein every day-make sure that you get it elsewhere if you cut out the tuna and milk-I would rather have smelly breath than a protein deficiency-but then I am English
Nick
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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-17 6:29 AM (#52878 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


you don't chew tobacco, do you??
if so, stop
smoking? stop it

there are plenty of othe places to get your protein, but you could certainly try other foods

if you have thrush that would explain a lot

one of my babies had it, but the wife got it taken care of in a day of two, so we really never had a chance to watch it 'bloom',
good luck, young man
variety in diet is important
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kulkarnn
Posted 2006-05-17 9:02 AM (#52888 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


Howdythere: See my response with ===>


I am a 20 year old Male.
===> That is very young!

My big problem first of all is that lately I have been noticing the taste of my mouth becoming more bitter than normal, and I find myself periodically trying to clean my mouth with my tongue when my mouth doesn't feel that clean. While I do this cleaning and general roaming of my mouth I can smell a bad breath roaming around in there. It isn't horrible, but it gets me nervous since I am at an age where I plan to be more active in dating.
===> This is good in a way because your smell sense is sharp and that way you know that there is something wrong with you. What is wrong with you is NOT with your mouth. So, there is no need to clearn it too much. You need to work on your stomach and blood.


Let me first give as much info as I can about whatever happens to my mouth.

My diet consists of this everyday:

Breakfast - 2 Tuna Fish sandwiches (Whole Wheat bread, the tuna for the sandwiches come from one can)
- 1 Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwich (Whole Wheat bread)
- 1 Cup (Or a bit over a cup's worth) of Non Fat Milk.

===> Replace this whole thing with Sufficient amount of ONE kind of ripe fresh fruit in one breakfast. AND, nothing else.



Lunch - 1 Power Bar (I usually eat the Peanut Butter or Oatmeal raisin flavored ones)
- 1 Non Fat Yogurt (Dannon brand, various flavors)
===> Throw all the power bars and NON fat yogurt. Replace this with Fresh Green Salad and one thing out of these: Raw Nuts of one kind only or Brown Rice or Tabaluh or Chapati bread made at home by an Indian Lady (Cyndi will do as a proper altenative!)



Dinner - 1 light meal (This meal can be anything, but I keep it light and nothing too fatty)
- 1 Can of Tuna.
- I usually chomp down some snacks (I just got off of fatty snacks and I stick to baked snacks such as Goldfish crackers)
- Fruits (never a set amount, I just chomp down on a couple bananas, apples, strawberries etc.)
- 1 Cup of Non Fat Milk (Or a bit over 1 cup)
===> Throw all the snacks you have. Replace this with either of a) Another kind of Fresh Fruits than what you ate in breakfast b) Same as Lunch with change in Grain or nuts



I also drink 2 quarts+ of water throughout the day.
===> Do NOT drink water unless you are really thirsty. Occassionally drink pure fruit juice with nothing else in it.


I brush 2 times a day mainly (3 times on weekends), I use Colgate toothpaste and for the past month I have been using Arm & Hammer Advanced Whitening toothpaste on the side, but I stopped using it a couple days ago. I also use Listerine and for the past 2 months I have been actively scrubbing my tongue daily because I let it go bad I think. I also use a cheap tongue scraper sometimes after scrubbing my tongue. No matter what I do since those past 2 months, the white grime of my tongue doesn't completely go away, it kind of regenerates over the course of the day

===> Throw all the tooth paste. And, use Indian Tooth Powder of Ayurvedic Type.


===> Continue the above for 3 motnhs with no break.



I brush my teeth when I wake up and I goggle with Listerine, and then I eat my breakfast (see above), I do not brush again after I eat. Throughout the day I do nothing but drink water, and then I have my light lunch as you can see above and that is about it. When I arrive home, I eat what I eat as can be seen above, and then I brush my teeth about 1-2 hours later. I do not goggle with Listerine after my night brushing. I do not actively floss, but I do have a floss that is attached to a handle.

Could my bad breath, bitter taste in my mouth be caused by the tuna I eat? Not brushing after I eat in the morning? Bad diet? (Although this diet is essential to my workouts)? Something wrong with my mouth? My tongue may need harder cleaning practices? etc. etc.

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks.
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Posted 2006-05-17 9:18 AM (#52891 - in reply to #52847)
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all that tuna sounds like a lot of mercury consumption. If it's chunk light that's supposed to be much better than solid albacore, but that's still a lot of tuna.
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*Fifi*
Posted 2006-05-17 9:37 AM (#52894 - in reply to #52847)
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That's an excellent point, Aystam, about mercury.

You can still get enough protein and add veggies to your diet. I don't think it's that hard to get 50g of protein everyday, especially with all the protein powder supplements and protein bars and protein this and protein that.

All of us should strive to consume 5 - 9 servings of fruit and veggies. Have salsa with your eggs. (And buy the expensive eggs from the chickens that have access to the outdoors). If you can find a way this week to add sea cucumber to your diet then you deserve a prize.

Believe me, I am no vegetarian. I love lamb and beef and yes, BACON! But I add sprouts to my BTL.

Oh, BTW, bad breath is usually something rotting in your gut or bacteria in your gums. This is why flossing everyday is important. If you haven't flossed in a while then the first couple of times will be uncomfortable. Then it gets better. Then you can't live without flossing.
Good luck! fifi

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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-17 10:57 AM (#52906 - in reply to #52894)
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*Fifi* - 2006-05-17 9:37 AM
Oh, BTW, bad breath is usually something rotting in your gut or bacteria in your gums. This is why flossing everyday is important. If you haven't flossed in a while then the first couple of times will be uncomfortable. Then it gets better. Then you can't live without flossing.
Good luck! fifi



FLOSSING IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET THE GOOD FLOSS
SOME IS EVEN MINT FLAVORED
I MAKE MY KIDS FLOSS EVERY DAY!!!
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sirensong2
Posted 2006-05-17 6:22 PM (#52931 - in reply to #52906)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


ageed. i have a little travel brush/paste and floss that i take with me to use after meals as I had gingivitis and don't want it back! if something is smelly your tuna/snacks/breakfast bars are probably being finished off by bacteria. I also love water piks! throw a little mouthwash in the reservoir with some H20 and it gets your mouth/teeth feeling so fresh and clean. hmm.. i think i'll do that right now....

Edited by sirensong2 2006-05-17 6:23 PM
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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-17 7:52 PM (#52944 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


my sonicare tooth brush
strokes like 3000 times a minute or something crazy like that

POLISHES my teeth

i've used for about a year
when i go to the dentist they hardly have to clean my teeth, if i didn't drink coffee they'd probably not have to clean at all.

SO, get yourself to the dentist and buy a sonicare toothbrush
and stop eating tuna
and stop drinking milk----milk is for babies, you're practically a grown man, get your calcium from other sources, like a little cheese.
besides milk has a lot of sugar, but really i'm down on milk because

I used to drink a gallon a day when i was growing up, and i always wondered where the stomach pain i had was coming from....so when i went to college i stopped drinking it and WHAM! i felt a lot better.

but still,
"milk is for babies, men drink beer"--Arnold Schwarzenegger--Pumping Iron

LOL
I'm only joking, i don't drink any alcohol, drink water if you're thirsty, and make sure that it is clean water.

Peanuts, all other nuts, eggs, cheese, beans, whole grains---all of these have protein as well as other good for you nutrients

start eating flaxseed meal, or buy flaxseed and grind it up just before you put it on some oatmeal
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tourist
Posted 2006-05-18 1:22 AM (#52971 - in reply to #52944)
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I love my sonciare also. Used to spend an hour with the hygenist scraping away, Now it is an easy 30 minutes or so without the b*itching and lecturing afterward.
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Orbilia
Posted 2006-05-18 5:26 AM (#52981 - in reply to #52971)
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Chewing a little fresh parsley is also supposed to help with fragrancing, especially if you've eaten something pungent.

Fee
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Posted 2006-05-18 8:56 AM (#53001 - in reply to #52944)
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while i agree with most of the advice here, i'd like to point out something that i find false in part, and true in part:

and stop drinking milk----milk is for babies, you're practically a grown man, get your calcium from other sources, like a little cheese.
besides milk has a lot of sugar, but really i'm down on milk because

I used to drink a gallon a day when i was growing up, and i always wondered where the stomach pain i had was coming from....so when i went to college i stopped drinking it and WHAM! i felt a lot better.

but still,
"milk is for babies, men drink beer"--Arnold Schwarzenegger--Pumping Iron



actually, milk is quite healthy for adults and cheese is milk (as is yogurt and other milk-based products).

the problem with modern, pasturized and skimmed milk is that it is high in sugar, low in nutrients, and difficult to digest due to lack of natural enzymes. this causes all sorts of health problems--including problems with teeth and symptoms of lactose intolerance.

raw (unpasturized) whole milk is higher in nutrients, naturally lower in sugar (because it's higher in fat--GOOD fats), and more easily digested by adults (as well as children) because of the natural enzymes in the milk that break down the lactose for us.

therefore, if you want to consume milk, i would suggest consuming raw milk (and raw milk products such as raw cheese, raw butter, raw yogurt, etc).

and Arnold drinks milk--quite a bit of milk in fact--as his training diet was dictated in one of many books by and about him, which included a lot of milk, cheese, eggs, and traditional meat products.

anyway, that's a bug in my ear, that sort of misinformation.

more info: http://www.realmilk.com
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Posted 2006-05-18 9:02 AM (#53002 - in reply to #52847)
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often, oral hygiene issues are related to deeper problems in the bodily system than simply what is going on in the mouth. a change of diet to high quality foods is probably in good order, and perhaps a brief (2-3 day) fast (tea, water) may be helpful as well. but it's an undertaking.

i go to the dentist once a year; i do not get my teeth cleaned/polished by them. it is unnecessary and can cause all sorts of problems with one's teeth. i go to a holistic dentist who checks for any problems, and then gives me his opinion of my mouth's cleanliness.

right now, i use all natural toothpaste once a day; all natural mouth wash once a day (i brush while using the mouth wash), and i dry brush (no toothpaste or mouth wash) once a day. I floss each morning. I brush my tongue.

in july, i'm going to learn to make my own toothpaste, mouth wash, and tooth polish powder. the powder should be used once a week; the tooth paste once a day; mouth wash once a day. I'll probably keep the same regimen.

i never liked getting my teeth cleaned--and so i finally asked my denist if i could avoid that process. He didn't like the idea, so i went to a different dentist who was willing to do as i asked. I don't get x-rays every time either. he just looks at and taps my teeth, and that's that. it takes about 10 or 15 minutes.

so there it is.
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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-18 9:09 AM (#53004 - in reply to #52847)
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thanks ZB for the in depth examination of milk

I found a local farmer/merchant from that website
he/she is in Glen Rock, right in York County, where I reside!
thanks again


Edited by SCThornley 2006-05-18 9:14 AM
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Posted 2006-05-18 11:27 AM (#53028 - in reply to #52847)
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you're welcome.

i had lactose intolerance symptoms before i went vegan. then, when i went vegetarian, i was afraid to go back to milk. but i tried raw milk and had no symptoms. today, when i consume pasturized dairy products, i get LI symptoms. when i consume raw, no symptoms.
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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-18 11:48 PM (#53077 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


I checked up on thrush and I definitely do not have that.

Speaking of vegetables, are most veggies bearingly edible by just eating it raw? I am looking for a good vegetable to eat on the go.

I will start eating sliced fruit and a whole wheat bagel (nothing added on to the bagel) for lunch usually now.

I will stop eating tuna and drinking milk (I already have) and will probably check out protein supplements for my protein fix. I need the extra protein definitely on my 2 off days from working out so my muscles get additional protein to build while resting.

I really do not want stop drinking milk though, non fat milk that is, it is such an easy 8g of protein, but I would not know where to get raw non fat milk (unless they sell those in markets uinder another name brand).

I will be flossing at least once everyday now. I will also continue scrubbing my tongue once everyday now.

I will also try to keep my snacks down if any snacks at all to a very extreme limitation. A couple of baked crackers wouldn't hurt to munch down every now and then eh?

I will also be eating more fruitsin general everyday.

Am I on the right track?

P.S - The person who said to stop drinking alot of water....that sounds kind of disturbing to me. I love water and 2 quarts+ is essential to my diet and since when is alot of water bad? Am I missing something here or was that an exaggeration.

Edited by Howdythere 2006-05-18 11:53 PM
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*Fifi*
Posted 2006-05-19 12:11 AM (#53078 - in reply to #52847)
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The "on the go" part is probably going to be your biggest challenge. No time to lightly steam your veggies, huh? Lightly steamed would make your digestive system very happy. Raw food can be hard on the digestive system (Chinese med theory).

I know! Find a wife to cook your food for you everyday! Wives can get expensive, so you might have to save up for one.

Good luck to you. Eating right can seem like a full-time job.

Oh, BTW, the coating on your tongue cannot be scraped off permenantly. It is an indication of what's going on in your tummy.
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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-19 5:56 AM (#53086 - in reply to #52847)
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A wife huh, I think a girlfriend would be a good start for me, heh.

Eating right definitely is a task, I am on the go alot and I don't really have much time to perfectly prepare stuff, even when I arrive home I hardly have much time as I need to sleep early.

Edited by Howdythere 2006-05-19 5:56 AM
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Posted 2006-05-19 8:27 AM (#53093 - in reply to #52847)
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protien supplements are not that digestable. the most digestable one is whey protien. soy protien isolate doesn't digest or get used at all. so avoid it. if possible, avoid both of them.

consider this as a possible meal plan:

breakfast: 2 hard boiled eggs, fresh veggies (i like sliced carrots, celery, peppers), and piece of fruit

snack: hand full of nuts (almonds, walnuts, cashews, pistachio nuts, etc), fruit

lunch: large salad with variety of vegetables and beans (boiled or sprouted). salad dressing of olive oil and vinegar, salt and pepper

snack: hummus and veggies

dinner: i like bean soups, salad or steamed veggies, and i have bread at this meal, usually, if i'm going to have it. I recommend sprouted grain bread such as Alvarado St or Ezekiel brand. if you eat meat, have meat or meat soup with veggies and bread. I also use butter on my bread.

snack: steamed veggies or stewed/baked fruit or home-made ice cream.

After a workout, a good combination is fruit such as melons or berries or grapes (or a mix thereof) with some form of high protien such as nuts or whole (full fat) raw (unpasturized) milk.

Fat is good for you--it's particularly good for you if you work out.

Most of the things i've listed here are easy to make. You spend about 30 minutes chopping at nite the day before. I keep fruit whole. I make ice cream once a month, usually on a sunday. I also boil 6 or so eggs at a time and keep them in the fridge for a few days. it only takes about 10 minutes to boil eggs.

So, here's a process:

Sunday schedule: wake up, yoga, clean, breakfast, chores, crock pot beans or soup, day plans (pack lunch and snacks), return for dinner and turn off crock pot. eat dinner, cook eggs while cutting veggies. make ice cream following. Hang out until bed time. Sleep.

then on monday, i have eggs, ice cream, veggies, and beans ready to go. If i'm having soup for dinner, i'll put it in the crock pot that morning and leave it. it will be done by evening or afternoon. if it's a workout day and i'm having melon, then i'll slice the melon that morning.

once you get into a process of simply doing things ahead of time and using proper storage (we use mostly glass containers for storage right now), then you should be fine. if you eat meat, you may want to make a couple of chicken breasts that you can toss over your salad or whatever throughout the week.

mostly, it's about pre-planning.
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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-19 9:04 AM (#53097 - in reply to #53093)
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zoebird - 2006-05-19 8:27 AM
Fat is good for you--it's particularly good for you if you work out.


the right kind, and considering it's ZB, I'm pretty sure that the fats are from Nuts and Grains

Flaxseed and Oatmeal have good fats, so do nuts.
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johnb838
Posted 2006-05-19 2:52 PM (#53150 - in reply to #52894)
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I was just going to post about the flossing. There isn't any substitute. Brushing doesn't get out all the little particles that collect between the teeth. Then it decays and produces a rank smell. Also agree, the first couple of times he flosses therre may be a really rotten stink. If so, he's on to something. It definitely goes away. Teaching myself to floss was one of the hardest things I've ever done, and one of the most worth it.
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Posted 2006-05-19 3:47 PM (#53164 - in reply to #52847)
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Good fats are saturated fat, unsaturated fat, and omega 3 and 6 in balance. Each of these needs to be in the right quantities. when we consume a lot of processed flours, instead of sprouted grain flours, these processed flours are turned into "sticky" saturated fat by our bodies which is part of the process that causes heart disease. Similarly, the typical, highly-processed diet that most westerners, most americans, consume imbalances our 3 and 6 ratio--giving us more 6 than 3. supplementing with flax seeds or flax seed oil for three months to balance this (while removing processed foods), and then continuing with a balance of 3 and 6 by consuming flax seed oil and walnut oil or flax seeds and walnut seeds is a good way to maintain these healthy fats in balance.

Good "fat" that is a hormone is cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol from meat, dairy, and eggs is healthy in the right quantities. Unhealthy cholesterol levels occur because the balancing mechanism is broken or because we have too much 'sticky' saturated fat in our system which causes our hormonal system that regulates cholesterol development go out of whack. Having natural food products (eggs from pasture-raised chickens or ducks are lower in cholesterol than organic, free range, or factory farmed eggs; raw milk from goats or cows are lower in cholesterol and more balanced in cholesterol than factory farmed dairy; pasture raised, grass fed, soy and hormone free meats have better cholesterol numbers than other factory farmed versions) in your diet helps balance out your cholesterol system--giving you healthier cholesterol levels.

"bad" fats include trans fats and hydrogenated oils. These rancid and perverted fats are also linked to cholesterol problems and heart disease. the body cannot utilize them and they should be avoided.

In general, i do not recommend cooking with oils, but rather adding oils to the food once it is cooked. this allows you to consume the appropriate fats easily without perverting or harming the fats. Fats with low smoke points are more likely to 'pervert' and therefore become 'useless' to the system if they are cooked. Some oils--such as flax seed oil--should never be heated and may need to be taken in a chilled beverage or soup or independently. Other oils that have high smoke points, such as lard, butter, and coconut oil, are appropriate for cooking if you choose to cook with oil.

While lard and butter have a 'bad rap' based on the cholesterol myths that exist out there, lard and butter are both very healthy fats if taken in moderation. you can cook with them (i would cook with lard, rather than eating it raw or uncooked), and they're probably the best fats to cook with because they can actually get better with cooking as it clarifies both fats (ah, the power of ghee for it's healing processes! ghee is clarified butter, clarified by the process of cooking and removing any curdles or lumps, leaving really great butter to cook with). But, i do not cook with lard, though i do cook with butter occassionally. Generally, i don't cook with anything in the pan at all, except the vegetables or what have you that i'm working with.

For more information about fats and fat-related nutrition, i highly recommend two books: Know Your Fats by Kayla Daniels, PhD and Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus, PhD. You may also like the book Cholesterol Myths, by a male PhD whose last name starts with an R. If you fidn the above two books, you'll likely find the third. I also recommend the information from the Weston A Price foundation--an advocacy organization for 'real food' based on good research about nutrition: http://www.westonaprice.org.
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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-19 5:52 PM (#53181 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene



my eyes!!!

ground flaxseed tastes good
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Posted 2006-05-19 6:11 PM (#53188 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


yup, particularly in steel cut oatmeal with whole, raw cream and a bit of black-strap molasses and some pumpkin or apple pie spice mix.
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Posted 2006-05-19 6:15 PM (#53189 - in reply to #53077)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


Hey Howdy- When was the last time you went to the dentist? There are lots of causes of bad breath: decay (the bacteria the causes the decay, Strep. mucans, the stomach, plaque and tartar (which is calcified plaque) that causes gingivitis and gum disease.

Be nice to your tongue. Brush it gently and you can use the front side of a spoon to scape it. Sounds to me like you have burned your tongue using Listerine. I know everyone loves that sh*t, but it has such a high alcohol content that it burns the tongue and tissues of the mouth. Many people do not know the company was sued for false claims of replacing flossing by use of rinsing with Listerine. The dentists and hygienists won. They are on my poop list!

The only way to remove plaque is by brushing and flossing. Floss first and then brush. It doesn't matter how hard you brush and floss, it is how long you do it. The best time to floss is at night, thus your mouth will be clean for as many hours you sleep.

Medications and dry mouth (xerostomia) can also give you halotosis. Drinking H2O is great. If you can, and it has been awhile, go and have a thorough examination including an oral cancer screening. We do one for no charge..part of the exam. Sounds like you are on the right path. A good mouth rinse is one with no alcohol or just warm salt water-your gums will love it! Use a soft toothbrush or buy a Sonicare or Braun--I have used both.

Tooth paste- My mouth will peel or slough if I use a tartar control or whitening tp. Those can be an irritant also to soft tissue. I you notice white peelies on you lips or in your mouth, it is due to the tooth paste. Lots of people have an allergie reaction to cinnamin aldehyde or a zinc product used in these pastes. I go for the plan stuff with fluroride-Aim is $.97 and is usually on the bottom shelf-works great!

Hope I have helped somewhat. I love my job cleaning those dirty toothies!
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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-24 8:04 PM (#53773 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


namaste you are a Dentist? cool

I think I need additional help. My mouth aroma is getting worse.

Here is my new daily meal breakdown everyday. I do not want anyone to scold me or get upset if I didn't immediately follow your food advice, I am just trying to feel out what I can still keep in my own diet.

Breakfast: - 6 slices of whole wheat bread (2 for my Peanut Butter (1 tbsp) and Jelly (1 tbsp) sandwich, and 2 for a plain jelly (1 tbsp) sandwich and I eat the last 2 plain)

Lunch: - 1 Plain whole wheat bagel (If I can't get a whole wheat bagel, I settle for multi grain)
- 1 Power Bar (The actual name brand power bar, not some generic kind, and the flavors I usually take are the Peanut Butter or Oatmeal Raisin ones)
- A serving of fresh sliced fruits.

Dinner: - Since my last discussion in this topic, I have been eating different meals consisting of vegetables with boiled chicken and rice etc. etc.
- I sometimes munch down on 1 plain Whole Wheat bagel.
- Assorted fruits.

My oral hygiene daily is as follows:

Morning - Brush Teeth (Colgate)
- Scrub tongue using toothbrush and toothpaste (I rarely scrub vigorously)
- Rinse with Listerine for 25-30 seconds.

Night - Brush Teeth (Colgate)
- Scrub tongue using toothbrush and toothpaste (I rarely scrub vigorously)
- Floss
- I flossed with Listerine once, (I never do this at night) because I thought that would help my bad breath, it didn't really help much.


Here is my new mouth situation. A bitter tangy feeling is lining my inside cheeks in the mouth, and I can also feel this bitter tangy feeling in the inside lining of my mouth at various areas like below the teeth. My tongue also has this burn feeling, how do I describe it..hmmm. Well the bitter tangy taste is also on my tongue, and my tongue feels like it was mildly burned or whatnot. When I roam my mouth using my tongue, I can feel a kind of uncleanliness along my teeth and along the general area of my inner mouth. When I let out a deep breath after roaming I can smell this bad breath odor. When I eat etc. the aroma dies down most likely due to the aroma of the food, but it slowly creeps back up.

I have no idea what is going on, and I really want it go go away.

P.S - I heard it was ok to eat something hearty once a week for a meal, like a pizza or some fried chicken etc. to help ease the craving. Is this ok?

Edited by Howdythere 2006-05-24 8:13 PM
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SCThornley
Posted 2006-05-24 8:27 PM (#53775 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


go to the dentist

and then

go to the Doctor

get checked out fella.

use your next paycheck to get some serious health care checkups
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Howdythere
Posted 2006-05-24 9:36 PM (#53784 - in reply to #53164)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


This burn sensation is not bad at all, it's just a very mild numb type feeling (probably due to the bitter taste).

Edited by Howdythere 2006-05-24 9:38 PM
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*Fifi*
Posted 2006-05-25 1:03 AM (#53798 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


You're cute, Howdythere.

You can eat "hearty" food if you'd like. Don't deprive yourself.

Are you able to go to a dentist? Please go.

Namaste gives great advice! I knew I didn't like listerne and scope for a reason. They totally burn. For the record, I've given up flossing with the expensive, smooth, gortex -overed floss and I'm moved onto the old fashioned stuff, which is more like string. It feels soooo good. I'm weird.
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alamedvav
Posted 2006-07-20 2:24 PM (#59182 - in reply to #52850)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


"No milk and tuna?

That cuts off like 46g of my protein

No bread? thats like 16g of protein

Maybe I have to resort to protein supplements if I am to cut down on my big protein pumpers."

Unfortunately, or maybe it is fortunate, that we vegitarians or vegans need to be experts in nutrition. This is because of the constant onslaught of Protein Protein Protein constantly being thrown in our faces. Infants who are growing the fastest they ever will their entire lives, thrive and grow with a very modest leval of 5% protein in mothers milk. ( That is percentage of calories as Protein.) Roger Williams -biochemist and nutrient researcher says that needs among people may vary as much as four fold. He gives ranges from 2.5% to up to 10% at the top.
The main point here is you'd need to starve yourself to death to not get enough protein.
Re: Det for a New America by John Robbins
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Deandrade
Posted 2016-07-10 4:57 AM (#219255 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: RE: Need help with my oral hygiene


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I'm a 33 year old male who has been suffering from depression on and off since I was about 29, however over the past three or so years it has gotten much worse and it has affected how I look after myself.I never really looked after my teeth and even as a kid I had a few taken out, lots of fillings, and my dentist was always telling me to stop eating so many sweets and drinking so many carbonated drinks.
I had braces from when I was 13 - 15 but I didn't look after them properly as I was lazy. I was left with stains when they were taken out even though my teeth were much straighter.It's disgusting but I wouldn't even brush my teeth (or hair) before school some days. I remember the kid sitting next to me in class one day asking if I ever brushed my teeth.Then i contact to Las Vagus Dental Implants and they treat me properly now i am good.
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jebac
Posted 2016-10-19 12:11 PM (#223581 - in reply to #52847)
Subject: Re: Need help with my oral hygiene


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Hey I think you should go to the dentist,
or try flosing.
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