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| Indian Yoga Instructor (M/F) Wanted in Kaohsiung, Taiwan for Recognized Yoga Center.
Good salary & benefits offered.
We are a famous yoga center based in Kaohsiung (in the southern part of Taiwan). We have opened four branches, which is also the largest yoga center in KS, and are planning to set up a few more in the upcoming years. Therefore, we would like to recruit Indian yoga instructors who are able to stay for at least three months or more to join us for promoting Yoga and providing professional assistence for our members and students. Kaohsiung has the most amiable weather in Taiwan, and is a very good and safe place to live and work. People in the southern part of Taiwan is well-knowned for their hospitality and warmness.
The adminstrator of our yoga center is willing to provide very suitable and satisfying work environment for professionial yoga instructors. Good salaray and free accommodation are provided as well. Interested candidates can send their resume (with certificate copies) and asana demostratoin pictures to this e-mail : foolycooly0409@gmail.com.
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| Hey, I'm not an Indian but maybe you can answer a question of mine?
I keep seeing posts, particularly from China, requesting Indian Yoga Teachers. I am wondering why you are specifically requesting people of Indian nationality? Can think of a couple of reasons (none of them very Yogic) such as a misconception that Indian means better in some way, or because you can get away with paying them next-to-nothing, but just wondering if you can enlighten me as to your real reasons?
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| hi foolywooly of taiwan yoga centre, i think you need to clear the doubt in scotts mind.why yoga centres in china and taiwan advertise for indian yoga teachers? Whats the difference between a yoga teacher born and brought up in india and yoga instructors from other regions of the world?
as scott accuses is it because you can get away with paying little money or do yoga teacher from india are better . | |
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| I think suspects is a better word than accuses  I cannot see any good reasons other than price, every country has good and not-so-good Yoga teachers including India, so there is no guarantee of quality based on country of origin. I just wonder why anyone would restrict nationality?
Cheers,
Scott
PS edited because I type country wrong and it thought I was swearing!
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| first of all, Taiwan is Taiwan
we are not part of China, so don't mistake us as the same country.
And i am very serious about this.
and as for ur questions, let me explain to u with an analgy.
If you were opening an language learning center in ur place, what kind of teacher would u prefre?
a local whose first language wasn't the students paying to learn, or the foreigners who happen to speak the language the students want to learn.
So, isn't it clear, is it?
Besides, i can sense you have some kind of discrimanation toward indian people.
How come you think they are less capable of earning money than you do?
Yes, their living standard is much lower than it is from where you are.
But that can't justify your thinking they earn less than you are.
Basically, no matter where are you from, you all are foreigners to us.
And we are paying them for what their expertise should deserve.
If you are this good, we will give the same deal. However, out students may think u lack some kind of autheticity.
So, just blame yourself why you were not born in India, and why Yoga get so popular everywhere, and students want to have the opportunity to approach the people of its origin.
The business is run very market-oriented. So, what can i say?
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| well said foolywooly,
Your answer is very clear and practical.I believe that people like scott need not worry about this and waste their time.You know,there are yoga centres in india especially in goa run by foreigners , i mean people from europe and usa and all the teachers who teach in those instituitions are foreigners. Many well trained and qualified indian yoga teachers apply there to work but never selected.There is a famous yoga centre in goa(famous among foreigners),according to a person stayed there, it is a yoga centre run by westerners , for the westerners.They charge high amounts for 2 or 3 weeks of stay and yoga whereas for just ten percent of that amount one can learn yoga in true indian way in traditional indian yoga centres.many sincere yoga aspirants are fooled by these yoga centres.They have the audacity to show discriminaion towards indians in india.indians show no complains.Because there is no restriction , anyone from any part of the world can learn yoga and teach yoga.India believes it.But the discrimination comes from the other.I do doubt the foreigners who teach in those yoga centres in goa , got work permits.This is happening in a country where there are millions of unemployed people. People like scott whining and complaining about indian teachers getting selected in taiwan , while they have made it extremely difficult for indians to get yoga teaching opportunity in those (developed) countries.
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Location: London, England | Hi all,
I can see everyone's point of view, but i would like to say that in England, it would not be permitted to specify a preferred nationality in a job advertisement-if you tried to put that in a newspaper, you would be prosecuted under the race relations act. But of course, it's up to you who you hire. Personally, I would want to hire the best teacher available, irrespective of nationality, and would think that the best chance of this would be to advertise worldwide, and then take my pick.
By the way, I'm not looking for a job in Taiwan
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| your quoting of bertrand russel. whom are you calling fools and fanatics.everyone other than english.If somebody says something you people dont like thats not proper not proper.How great
is race relation in enlgand.only on paper.everyone in this this part of the world knows whats going on there.nick nick dont you get what fooly wooly said..... they want a teacher from india.Thats it.There are more fools and fanatics where you live than anywhereelse in the world.
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Location: London, England | hi indianyogi,
In my last post I said that I could see everyones point of view-for instance, I am aware of these yoga centres in india of which you spoke and agree that they are probably fake and are not paying tax. The quote of Bertrand Russell is one I like and is not one that had any application to my post-in fact, I added it this morning-in my first post, it was not there.
I fail to see what I could have said that would cause offence-but can see plenty to cause offence in what you say-I will not stoop to argue with you. When I was younger, I used to go out on the streets to fight the british nazis, whose political agenda is identical to yours.
Funny how life turns out.
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| Hi,
Nick i do not have any political agenda.Infact i have no agenda.I do believe that all are equal.
you made me say what i said.I am happy to hear that you fought british nazis.Still you got so much work ahead.such a great man like you need not stoop to answer me. I am a simple ordinary commoner.
My distasteful statement is only towards the nicks and scotts of the world.Not to the other secular
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| Let's keep the conversation civil, folks. 
I understand the desire to have "authentic" teachers from the place yoga was born. And perhaps there was a time when the only authentic teachings were from teachers from India. Over the past 30 years however, that has changed a great deal. There was once also a time where if a country wanted to pursue baseball, they would have insisted (and be truly justified in doing so) on an American coach. Nowadays it might be more prudent to look world wide as there are undoubtedly great baseball coaches in Japan, Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc. If you are looking for someone who walks and talks like and American to coach baseball, I guess you need to hire a white guy from Texas or New York, but it does not guarantee a good coach any more than hiring an Indian yoga teacher guarantees a great yoga teacher. Because now we have great, good, so-so and terrible yoga techers all over the planet....
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Location: London, England | Hey Glenda,
I hope I was civil-but then again, there are more fools and fanatics in England than anywhere else in the world, according to indianyogi, so I could be a fool too
This conversation is obviously going nowhere fast, but have a look at these quotes by Jorg Haider, far rigth politician from Austria-father a nazi stormtrooper:
"At least the third reich had a decent employment policy"
"My party is not a direct descendant of the nazi party. If it was, we would have an absolute majority in Austria."
And lastly "Do we really need 180,00 foreigners here when we've got 140,00 unemployed?"
Now compare this last quote with what indianyogi has to say:
"I do doubt the foreigners who teach in those yoga centres in goa , got work permits.This is happening in a country where there are millions of unemployed people. "
That is scarily identical.
Nick
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | This is funny you guys....this conversation made me think of our own situation here in the US....like I'm sure some outsiders are thinking that in order to be President of the USA...you have to be from Texas, love oil and pronounce "Amerikens" like this and wear cowboy boots. 
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| Hi friends,
I do not hold the foolish notion that only indian yoga teachers are good or indian yoga teachers are someway better.As one of you said there are good yoga teachers from every part of the world.Infact in india only few people do yoga or teach even from the ancient times.Because it was thought and still holds the view that yoga is not for everyone.(in india).Comparing base ball and and election of presidents in usa with yoga.Now taiwan seems to have a reason why they go for indian teachers.Einsteins quotation is really good.But he was a scientist. right.Now again great minds and mediocre minds who decides? All minds are great but few realises it.
Iyengar quotation is really good to hear.But i like to quote patanjali Yogah chittavritti nirodah yoga is the cessatiion of the modications of mind. Yogaswar krishna says Yoga is perfection in action. Nick my friend cut the nazi crap lets stick to yoga. | |
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Location: London, England | Indianyogi my friend you quit insulting people based on their nationality or colour, and I'll quit the nazi crap-ok?? If you examine your posts, then you will see that it is who has not stuck to the path of yoga-if you cannot see it, it's there in black and white for everyone to see.
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Location: right where I'm supposed to be | Wow, this is deep! 
I think we all should take a deep breath and leave this be. We all have our own belief system. It seems it will remain that way too.
Indianyogi will stand firm. So be it! It is what it is and nothing more!
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Location: London, England | Hi Mish,
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Location: right where I'm supposed to be | Morning Nick
Shanti
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| "ahimsapratisthayam tatsannidhau vairatyagah" - When non-violence in speech, thought and action is established, one's aggressive nature is relinquished and others abandon hostility in one's presence. Yoga Sutra II-35
I try to steer away from quoting scripture, as it can turn into a bit of a lose-lose situation. But I thought this one was quite appropriate here. | |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | If its any consulation to anyone...I once had to deal with some Tawainese people here in the US. This Tawainese woman started a Tibetan Buddhist Temple and got all these Tibetans over from China and India to form this temple. They mainly did poojas for her business and anyone else who had $$ to pay for their dog and pony show. It looked good from the outside until you hung around the place for any length of time. They were awful to the Tibetans and treated them like slaves. The poor Tibetan monks had to sleep in a damp cold basement with 2 to each small room, on the floor using these so called Japanese mattresses that were paper thin and 1 bathroom that was always filthy with mold. One of the Tibetans was always sick. I used to take him to my TCMD to get treatments, he was so unhappy. Finally he got away. All they cared about the fact that they heard somewhere that the Tibetans would bring them good luck, prosperity and so on. They had these Tibetans performing all kinds of services with little pay. This one particular owner yelled and screamed at them. Once I witnessed her outrage myself. I pulled her outside and gave her a piece of my mind and told her to back off. I ended up severing my relationship with these people because it was heartbreaking and very disturbing to see this going on. My husband who is Nepalis/Indian, was totally disgusted with this group from Tawain (however you spell it!!).
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Location: right where I'm supposed to be | That's horrible Cyndi! So much for Ahimsa although I guess it doesn't apply in that instance but should!
Mish
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| Very sad story, Cyndi - It is a shame when an encounter with a group of people colours our whole perception of that group. Although we all know intellectually that there are good and bad people in every country, in every walk of life, it is difficult to separate these experiences from what we know is right. The awareness we gain as yogis can help us keep an open mind on all the new people we meet and not keep unhealthy attachments to our previous experiences. It is not easy, but it is important to try. | |
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| on my own personal reflections and experiences, i was thinking about this question of authenticity. this was an aspect that i was reminded of most quickly:
when i first started teaching yoga professionally, i was really intimidated when i had indian students in the room. that is, when a person of indian descent would come to class, i would be really edgy. now, when a famous teacher (who was not indian) came to the studio, i wouldn't care. In fact, there were times when celebrities and celebrity yogins came to the studio and if our lead teacher couldn't teach it, he'd ask me because i was the only one not inimidated by it. I used to say "one butt in the air is always the same as the other." which is true--when everyone is in downward dog, all you see are colorful pants, not what race the person is, whether or not they're rich or poor, or anything like that. 
but, i would find myself very nervous around indian people because next to them, i didn't feel "authentic." i felt like they were the ones living this tradition--with their heritage, their religious practices, even their race, one could say.
it took a while, but one of the indian men in my class and i became good friends. he was raised in the US--he and his brother--and both married girls from india in arranged marriages. In many ways, his family was/is very traditional. His parents have retired from business (the sons taking over that business) and run the temple in our area. It's their cultural duty, i was told.
in any case, after a time, i told him of my nervousness and my feelings of inadequacy and he laughed at me. he said that there isn't anything inauthentic about what i'm teaching--that i'm a good student and very respectful of the tradition. i ask questions and i admit when i don't know something. it was at this time that i was invited to join his family at various temple gatherings and it was they who decided i should teach yoga (asana and pranayama) at the temple every other week. I also attend pujas and lectures--any time i'm invited and it fits my schedule. I learn a great deal from them.
I don't know how this bears on the argument, but it's a rather funny thing. I felt less 'authentic' as a yoga teacher because i, myself, am not indian. and yet, what my indian friends have taught me is that the ability to experience yoga doesn't care for race or sex or class or any other thing--it is available for all--and the ability to teach yoga isn't determined by these factors either.
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| ZB - I had that experience early on imn my teaching. The young woman who came to my class came from a family who "practiced a bit at home" and she was frankly pretty inept and admitted it. It was a really fun class with a group of young women who were friends and my feelings of not being authentic were pretty much eased then. We also have an Indian student who I don't see often but has complimented me on my Sanskrit, which was very nice  Now, an Indian Iyengar student from Pune might put me into the heebie jeebies - I'll let you know if tha happens! | |
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| hi , tourist,
there is no lose lose situation in quoting scritptures only if you consider it as a competion.for most of us those are just words good to hear and quote and feel wise and great.In those words contains an understanding an awareness, if we reach that stage , i am told by my gurus(indian ofcourse) we need not struggle to convince others.If you are not disturbed by others expressing their thoughts, you may not use this veiled violence to chastise others.Well i am no way near that enlightenment.just a struggling yoga student. | |
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| Hi zoe bird,
you are absolutely right.you need not feel any nervousness in practising yoga or teaching yoga.
yoga is not bound by any race or nationality.Havent we heard that yoga takes us beyond all distinctions.but i believe that to reach that yogic experience described in the scriptures and told by the yogis(the real ones) we need to practise yoga in its real form.what i express is just my opinion.
hi cyndi,
such terrible things do happen.Its so sad.let us identify those wolves in sheeps cloth and isolate them. | |
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| i agree about practicing yoga in it's 'real' form--but defining that in light of the udnerstanding that anyone can practice, learn, and then teach that real form is the difficulty when we're talking about issues such as who should be hired to teach, and whom one should learn from.
and ultimately, i've found that any teacher with whom i come in contact has some lesson for me--whether it's from 'real yoga' or just simply the experience of their humanity (humanness, their error) that is in my path for me to learn about myself more deeply. | |
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| Hi zoe bird ,
I understand your point.But the real form , Its very difficult to explain .Thats where the conflict arises.The nationality arises even though its trivial.If you are really interested ,you come to india learn the philosophy the spirituality the science the mystery the truth of yoga traveling and learning from traditional yoga shalas.It makes so much difference.Our yoga gurus,( not teachers and instructors) , so our yoga gurus are unique.I dont want to pick up another argument.infact i am finding it a pointless effort to convince through words.
forgive me , for saying this, but but yoga is india. No other place ,no one else can feel and live it and realise it like india. Many can conquer the lands study the scriptures analyse it comment on it but elas they did and are far away.Any one can do or say anything anywhere and can call it yoga.India can only giggle.
hey, people are gearing up to reply this with sarcastic, egoistic quotations tarnishing wisdom of the men and women who said it.
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | indianyogi - 2006-10-03 11:50 AM
but but yoga is india. No other place ,no one else can feel and live it and realise it like india. Many can conquer the lands study the scriptures analyse it comment on it but elas they did and are far away.Any one can do or say anything anywhere and can call it yoga.India can only giggle.
hey, people are gearing up to reply this with sarcastic, egoistic quotations tarnishing wisdom of the men and women who said it.
i may try to answer them until i lose interest.
I totally agree with this Indian Yogi.. having been married to an Indian/Nepali for 5 years, I truly understand yoga and the Hindu culture. My husband is a walking Yogi. He has the unique ability to "mingle" in this world with a uniqueness that cannot be described in words. If you were to watch him in action, whether it be in the grocery store, at a restaurant, at his job (which consists of lots of human interaction - he's a jeweler) it is absolutely incredible the "positive" energy that is naturally emitted to others,and the joy and comfort that you can obviously see others receive from his presence. He is adored and loved by everyone who comes into his contact, especially me, It's in his blood, but it also comes from deep rooted generations of the Hindu culture, which is not something that you can discuss in a casual conversation. Its very deep. | |
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| This is certainly an interesting debate.
I am interested in what you mean by "real form". This seems to imply that there is one yoga in India. In my experience, while the ultimate purpose of yoga is to help the practitioner transcend the lower self so they may realise a higher reality, this spiritual realisation is not necessarily understood in the same way by the different Indian traditions. This is why we find Hindu yoga, Buddhist yoga, Jain yoga, Sikh yoga etc.
When you invite us to India to study the philosophy of yoga, the question I ask is which philosophy? Dualistic v non dualistic, Hatha Yoga Pradipika v Yoga Sutras, the Bhagavad Gita v the Dhammapada? They are many Indian philosophies which, like their Western counterparts, are often contradictory.
Finally, if 'yoga is India', how do you feel an Indian yoga teacher would be different when teaching inside or outside India and if there is such a difference then surely it would not matter if someone teaching yoga in Taiwan was Indian or not.
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| indianyogi:
i understand your point and, to a point, i agree with you.
but many indian people, indian yogis, live in the west and teach in the west. we can go to them. Many westerners travel to india, live in india, and learn to 'be yoga' or however one would want to explain it. There, they become gurus who run shalas--western people. My good friend's guru runs a shala/ashram in india--and his nationality is romanian.
were this romanian return to romania, or were he to come to the US or australia--would he be less yogic? would his teachings be less real, less authentic? And to the converse, are those indian yogins who teach throughout the world and certify teachers, as well as 'ordain' (for lack of a better term) gurus who are westerners--are they less yogic? is their yoga less authentic?
and from this, are people who would be taught in india, of any nationality, and return home, or any indian who would teach elsewhere, is the simple act of teaching elsewhere make them less yogic? less authentic yoga?
this is not an argument, but simply a process of asking the basic question. Is yoga India, or is yoga something that transcends all of these things? And if so, why can't a westerner be 'just as good at 'being yoga' as an indian--assuming they have learned through a traditional lineage (either from indians, or people who traveled and studied in india, or people who studied with indians in their homelands, or people who studied with people form their homelands who studied in india, etc)? | |
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| I suggest that we discuss this topic:
a) without taking any names such as who posted, etc.
b) just ask a question and answer it.
c) let the conclusion come out of its own.
d) in other words, discuss the question and related topic, and not the posters themselves.
My opinions:
When one wants someone to teach Yoga, they have in mind something called Yoga. That shall decide the background of the teacher. For example: If someone wants a Yoga Teacher to teach Sanskrit Chanting, there is no way you can find such a teacher in Western countries easily. One can say it is impossible, but actually there are few exceptions who are Europeans. But, they probably do not teach Yoga.
Whether chanting is Yoga or not? In my opinion, it is. And, it is as much Yoga as Asana is, contrary to belief in some circles.
If one is trying to learn asana, you shall probably find a better teacher in Western country than in India, even though world famous teachers are present in India. Because, these world famous teachers either teach in India or travel abroad, not stay abroad and teach at one place for long.
I agree with the original poster that a person from the place where the topic is common shall make the best teacher. But, I agree this only if the need is to teach those topics. If the topic is Asana, then I do not agree.
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| And how do we know how many past lifetimes we may have spent in India absorbing the "real" teachings in an authentic way? Who knows why yoga has travelled west at this time? I believe yoga is meant to be global now. I cannot learn chanting very well from my British teacher and not well at all from my Canadian teacher who, as we say, can't carry a tune in a bucket (her words ) but I can listen to a CD of the monks that BKS Iyengar asked to record them. Then I can go to Virginia and listen to Neel. I know already that their accents are as different as my British teacher's and my own, but both are authentic and my quest for understanding and knowledge is sincere. If I choose to help others learn to chant, it is an offering of spirit that can start them on a path to their own seeking. It is all I can do and I do the best I can with the tools I have. | |
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And how do we know how many past lifetimes we may have spent in India absorbing the "real" teachings in an authentic way? Who knows why yoga has travelled west at this time? I believe yoga is meant to be global now. I cannot learn chanting very well from my British teacher and not well at all from my Canadian teacher who, as we say, can't carry a tune in a bucket (her words ) but I can listen to a CD of the monks that BKS Iyengar asked to record them. Then I can go to Virginia and listen to Neel. I know already that their accents are as different as my British teacher's and my own, but both are authentic and my quest for understanding and knowledge is sincere. If I choose to help others learn to chant, it is an offering of spirit that can start them on a path to their own seeking. It is all I can do and I do the best I can with the tools I have.
yes, dear Sister Tourist. Even I do not mind attending your chanting class. But, our friend in Taiwan may not be satisfied with that. And, he is the one who is offering the job. But, just between you and me, I mean between Yoga.com and me, I have listened some of the most famous chantings by westerners. And, they can be called as singing, and not chanting. About an Indian Monk CD being used for chanting, I need a proof. That means, I need the Indian Monk CD, and then the student CD to compare. There is no compare with personal class. Please believe me. | |
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Location: London, England | kulkarnn - 2006-10-04 10:44 PM
I suggest that we discuss this topic:
a ) without taking any names such as who posted, etc.
b ) just ask a question and answer it.
c ) let the conclusion come out of its own.
d ) in other words, discuss the question and related topic, and not the posters themselves.
Hi Neel,
I wasn't going to participate in this thread any more, not because of the personal insults, but because of the insults to a people as a whole-but I have to congratulate you-the above is equal to any sutra I have read: concise-precise. A book and a philosophy in four points. Publish!!
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| Wise words indeed kulkarnn.
Following your guidelines and continuing the discussion, the question I would offer for debate is "Are the teaching's of yoga universal, or is yoga India?
For me, yoga transcends a country or region and is a universal teaching appropriate for all cultures and sincere seekers. Having said that, in my experience, much of yoga's teachings are yet to be fully realised in the West and what many refer to as 'yoga' is simply the asana component of Hatha yoga, which while beneficial is only one aspect of a far greater picture.
There are wonderful (and authentic) Western teachers of chanting, such as Gill Lloyd and Paul Harvey, both students of Desikachar and of course Muz Murray who has been around for years quietly teaching chanting and mantra under the radar of commercial yoga. There are also many poor quality teachers, though this applies to both the East as well as the West. I have met many chanting teachers from both India and the West who even pronounce the word 'Hatha' incorrectly.
I agree with kulkarnn that what many teachers refer to as chanting is actually singing and would be interested in how you define the two. For me, a person may chose to sing to the divine, as in certain Bhakti practises (an outward focused evocation) while chanting is more of an internally focused invocation.
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Location: New York | A couple of things . . . just because someone is Indian (or any other particular nationality) doesn't automatically mean s/he will behave in a particular way or have particular qualities. As Nick indicated, that kind of thinking puts us on very dangerous ground.
And I love Tourist's analogy to baseball . . . if it is true that yoga is uniquely Indian and nobody does it like the Indians, then I guess that's true for the U.S. and baseball. All of those "foreigners" playing baseball are laboring under the illusion that they've got the hang of this uniquely American sport (like Hideki Matsui, for instance) while we Americans just giggle at their deluded efforts.
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| Modifying or even correcting my previous posts on this thread, now I state the following:
Actually, it is best for the advertiser to state what they want instead of stating that the instructor should be Indian. For example:
Yoga Instructor needed:
- who can speak in English/Chinese/Hindi/Sanskrit
- who knows chanting of Vedas
- who can demonstrate high proficiency in performing poses.
- who can teach the poses to an age group of 2 to 82.
- who knows breathing practices.
- who can speak in Sanskrit to Chinese, and make them understand.
- who has 5 years teaching experience.
ETC.
And, let any nationality jump in.
As for question from Jonnie about chanting: Is there any way I can hear it on the web? Or at Border's?
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| Neel - those are very good instructions for a useful advertisement. In North America there may be remains of racism but we have certainly learned to dislike overt signs fo it for the most part.
I know what you mean about the singing rather than chanting. It is lots of fun, it is delightful to hear and participate in and, as it is offered sincerely, I believe it is a practice of its own. The CD I have right now is from BKS - I understand he had so many students who wanted to learn the sutras properly, he arranged to have the CD made and distributed. I am currently learning sutra I-11 to I-16 to lead our local group (along with other students and teachers each doing 5 sutras each) in chanting the first pada at a celebration. I am excited and a little nervous! | |
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| Russill Paul--who is indian as far as i can tell--teaches mantra in the west. he has a book called The Yoga Of Sound which is an excellent learning tool.
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| tourist - 2006-10-04 10:23 AM
Neel - those are very good instructions for a useful advertisement. In North America there may be remains of racism but we have certainly learned to dislike overt signs fo it for the most part.
I know what you mean about the singing rather than chanting. It is lots of fun, it is delightful to hear and participate in and, as it is offered sincerely, I believe it is a practice of its own. The CD I have right now is from BKS - I understand he had so many students who wanted to learn the sutras properly, he arranged to have the CD made and distributed. I am currently learning sutra I-11 to I-16 to lead our local group (along with other students and teachers each doing 5 sutras each) in chanting the first pada at a celebration. I am excited and a little nervous!
Dear Tourist: I know that there is small racism in North America.But, there is also another kind of racism in India. I really do not care about racism too much. I believe in making friends with all and then forget the racism part. Talking too much about racism, in a way, keeps it alive.
About chanting, let me send you those sutras cut out from my CD. Send address again.
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| Dear Neel,
I'm not sure about c.ds or borders but Muz has an interesting little site at:
http://www.mantra-yoga.com/
Jonathon | |
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| jonnie - 2006-10-04 1:47 PM
Dear Neel,
I'm not sure about c.ds or borders but Muz has an interesting little site at:
http://www.mantra-yoga.com/
Jonathon
Do you know whether I can hear him on some website. Or, whether I can exchange something for a used copy of his work? Which one you recommend most? So far, I liked his website and am amazed at the change he has done in himself.
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| Hi all
Well I drop this post, step away for a few days and look what happened!
Yowza?!
Okay, first to intentions - I am not rascist, indeed I have several Indian friends including my Yoga teacher (and many other friends of various nationalities).
Foolycooly I am aware that Taiwan is not China, I never said it was. However in addition to your advertisement I have also seen many adverts from China, hence my comment. I am well aware of the difference between Taiwan and China, and in fact on Tuesday I will be celebrating your National Day in London with my Taiwanese friend there.
To the question itself -- you should be aware that the posting of a job advertisement with unnecessary restrictions is in fact discrimination, and suspecting this I wanted to know if this was indeed a case of racial discrimination or if there was some valid reason of which I am not aware. E.g. maybe in Taiwan yoga students will only go to classes of Indian teachers because common opinion is that they are best -whether right or wrong, if your customers think this then it makes sense to me to provide what they want.
However you have no such reasons, just this analogy of a language instructor. Yoga is not a language - in languages it is fair to assume that a person who is a native to that language knows it better. There is no valid reason to assume that an Indian teacher is more knowledgeable or capable of teaching Yoga than any other nationality. My point is simple - you should not specify nationality restrictions in job advertismenets unless there si some practical reason why (e.g. visa restrictions), it is racial discrimination and is outlawed in many countries.
(Wandering slightly off-point, the analogy of a language teacher is further flawed - it has been my experience in learning languages that the best teachers are those who are native to your current language. Such people have gone through the process of learning the foreign language consciously, know the pitfalls and difficulties of learning, whereas native speakers learned many of the nuances at a young age and are not so good at explaining the 'why' that arises because much of their learning was unconscious).
Back to the point - there should be no racial discrimination in selecting the right person for a job. A person should be given a job only because they MERIT that appointment, that is they are the best candidate to take up the post in terms of ability. This may be Indian, this may be Taiwanese, this may be American, it doesn't really matter. But if employers are allowed to make restrictions such as those in this advertisement unchallenged then we who see such advertisements are effectively saying that it's okay to discriminate on the basis of race, which it is definitely NOT. So I would ask you to change your advertisement and keep an open mind when choosing the right person for the job, doing so on grounds of ability and experience in teaching Yoga not on their nationality or colour of their skin.
Indianyogi, I can see from your posts that you took my post somehow as personal criticism of you or your nation. If it's not already clear from the above, then please let me expand - I have no desire whatsoever to slight or impair the prospects of Indian yogi-s. I come to India each year and learn from Indians, but I do so only because these people in particular have the knowledge and wisdom that I seek. If those same people were Bratislavian or Nepalese I would still visit them regardless. My point is actually very similar to yours - that all people of all nations should have an equal chance to take up any job advertised.
Phew, hope that's all clear now. Peace to EVERYONE of ALL nationalities regardless!
Take care,
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| Dear Neel,
I have some of Muz's audio cassettes that I'm happy to send to you. If you PM me a mailing address (not P.O box) and tel number I'll DHL them to you.
Jonathon | |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Hey Scott,
Just for the record, Nepalis is Indian. The 2 countries used to be one. In fact, Nepal is 100% Hindu, whereas India is NOT. In fact, if you want "true blue" authentic yoga, Nepal would be the place to go. Just an interesting factoid for ya. | |
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| jonnie - 2006-10-05 8:49 AM
Dear Neel,
I have some of Muz's audio cassettes that I'm happy to send to you. If you PM me a mailing address (not P.O box) and tel number I'll DHL them to you.
Jonathon
Wow! Please do it Now! Address: 2410 Glengyle Drive, Vienna, VA 22181. Let me know your liking, and I shall send you something a) to eat b) to smell c) to read or d) to listen or e) to see.
Thanks in advance. My email is neel@authenticyoga.org | |
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| Cyndi - 2006-10-05 9:27 AM
Hey Scott,
Just for the record, Nepalis is Indian. The 2 countries used to be one. In fact, Nepal is 100% Hindu, whereas India is NOT. In fact, if you want "true blue" authentic yoga, Nepal would be the place to go. Just an interesting factoid for ya.
That is why I want to go to Nepal! | |
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| hello , i have alreday written u one mail but no response , i am in kaohsiung now . i hope to hear soon from you. have a good day . | |
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