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| Hi My name is Victoria. Im 23 from NYC and Im new to kundalini. I had my my 1st class last fri. I loved it. It ended up just being my mother, myself and the instructor. During the deepest breathing I felt my arms and legs fall asleep and then go kinda numb. I put my mat under the big skylight. I have never felt so much peace. I loved the chanting. I was a bit shy at 1st bc I didnt know if I was saying it right but then I stopped caring and just got really into it. I cant wait for this weeks class. Would anyone happen to have a list of the mantras most used and how to pronounce them? | |
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| I think they shall have a book which shall have those chants used by the Kundalini Yoga Style. See the bookshop. Also, ask your teacher.
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| The Mangala Charn Mantra
AD GURAY NAMEH, JUGAD GURAY NAMEH,
SAT GURAY NAMEH, SIRI GURU DEVAY NAMEH
This is the Mangala Charn Mantra, and is chanted for protection. It surrounds the magnetic field with protective light, and means "I bow to the primal Guru (guiding consciousness who takes us to God-Realization), I bow to wisdom through the ages, I bow to True Wisdom, I bow to the great, unseen wisdom."
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| redvelvetroses - 2007-03-07 2:56 PM
Hi My name is Victoria. Im 23 from NYC and Im new to kundalini. I had my my 1st class last fri. I loved it. It ended up just being my mother, myself and the instructor. During the deepest breathing I felt my arms and legs fall asleep and then go kinda numb. I put my mat under the big skylight. I have never felt so much peace. I loved the chanting. I was a bit shy at 1st bc I didnt know if I was saying it right but then I stopped caring and just got really into it. I cant wait for this weeks class. Would anyone happen to have a list of the mantras most used and how to pronounce them?
For the sake of answering this specific question I will classify Mantras as Vedik (belonging to Vedas and Upanishads), Puranik (belonging to Puranas) and Tantrik (belonging to Tantra). All the three kinds of Mantras can be used in Kundalini awakening. However, Vedik mantras generally take Jana route, Puranik mantras take more of devotional route where as Tantrik mantras and Bija mantras take more direct approach to Kundalini awakening. Especially Bija mantras of Kundalini Yoga are effective if you wish to follow direct path to Kundalini Yoga. Bija mantras are relatively easy to pronounce (still there are chances of faulty pronunciation, length, ascent etc.) and can be learnt from books but some Tantrik mantras can be really difficult to utter unless you learn them from a qualified and experienced teacher.
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| Kaos - 2007-06-02 5:01 PM
The Mangala Charn Mantra
AD GURAY NAMEH, JUGAD GURAY NAMEH,
SAT GURAY NAMEH, SIRI GURU DEVAY NAMEH
===> aadi gurave namaH, jagadgurave namaH
sadgurave namaH, shree gurudevaaya namaH
This is the Mangala Charn Mantra, and is chanted for protection. It surrounds the magnetic field with protective light, and means "I bow to the primal Guru (guiding consciousness who takes us to God-Realization), I bow to wisdom through the ages, I bow to True Wisdom, I bow to the great, unseen wisdom."
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| Om bhur bhuvah svah tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi dhiyo
yo nah pracodayat.
"Om. Earth. Mid-region. Heaven. Let us contemplate the most excellent splendor of Savitri,
that he may inspire our visions."
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| A note of caution. A mantra should be recited with the right intonation, and pace as learned from one's teacher and also on realizing the essense behind the sound.
Otherwise, it is useless.
For the sake of discussion, an example of a bija (seed syllable), which can be used on their own or in conjunction with other power sounds, is hlim-raksha bija (see syllable for protection).
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Kaos - 2007-06-03 6:25 AM
A note of caution. A mantra should be recited with the right intonation, and pace as learned from one's teacher and also on realizing the essense behind the sound.
Otherwise, it is useless.
===> That is not true. There are two types of mantras. One = dvanipradhaana where sound (dvani) is more important (pradhaana). Second = arthapradhaana where meaning (artha) is more important. And, there are some which have both qualities. And, there are some, especially tantrick, where connect intonation is must, otherwise result can be different from you want. But,
===> Any mantra where the intention is spiritual, can be sung proper devotion. And, it is bound to give the spiritual benefit.
===> However, it is best to pronounce the mantras correctly, as it can only be beneficial.
For the sake of discussion, an example of a bija (seed syllable), which can be used on their own or in conjunction with other power sounds, is hlim-raksha bija (see syllable for protection).
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| kulkarnn - 2007-06-03 10:49 AM
A mantra should be recited with the right intonation, and pace as learned from one's teacher and also on realizing the essense behind the sound.
Otherwise, it is useless.
===> That is not true. There are two types of mantras. One = dvanipradhaana where sound (dvani) is more important (pradhaana). Second = arthapradhaana where meaning (artha) is more important. And, there are some which have both qualities. And, there are some, especially tantrick, where connect intonation is must, otherwise result can be different from you want. But,
===> Any mantra where the intention is spiritual, can be sung proper devotion. And, it is bound to give the spiritual benefit.
===> However, it is best to pronounce the mantras correctly, as it can only be beneficial.
The Kula-Arnava-Tantra (15.61) states that a mantra lacking in "consciousness" is just like any other sound.
Mantras without consciousness are said to be mere letters. They yield no result even after a trillion recitations. Therefore, they are useless.
They might not even prove to be beneficial if the result is different from what you want.
Therefore, it follows that they should be handled with caution.
However, if people will still insist that they are getting some "spiritual benefit" from singing mantras regardless whether it is done incorrectly, who am I to stop them.
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kulkarnn - 2007-06-03 10:49 AM
A mantra should be recited with the right intonation, and pace as learned from one's teacher and also on realizing the essense behind the sound.
Otherwise, it is useless.
===> That is not true. There are two types of mantras. One = dvanipradhaana where sound (dvani) is more important (pradhaana). Second = arthapradhaana where meaning (artha) is more important. And, there are some which have both qualities. And, there are some, especially tantrick, where connect intonation is must, otherwise result can be different from you want. But,
===> Any mantra where the intention is spiritual, can be sung proper devotion. And, it is bound to give the spiritual benefit.
===> However, it is best to pronounce the mantras correctly, as it can only be beneficial.
The Kula-Arnava-Tantra (15.61 ) states that a mantra lacking in "consciousness" is just like any other sound.
===> Yes Dear Kaos. That is what I wrote above, that the tantrick mantras have this necessity. Now, you have used the word consciousness, and in the past you said intonation-etc. But, all the same. And, that is why these mantras are NOT for every situation. And, that is why they are less useful to average student than the following. See below ===>.
Mantras without consciousness are said to be mere letters. They yield no result even after a trillion recitations. Therefore, they are useless.
===> No, they are not useless. Once a person knows that the benefit is not coming, he/she will seek the reason. If the reason is related to intonation, he/she shall correct it.
They might not even prove to be beneficial if the result is different from what you want.
Therefore, it follows that they should be handled with caution.
However, if people will still insist that they are getting some "spiritual benefit" from singing mantras regardless whether it is done incorrectly, who am I to stop them.
===> Mahamantras such as those given out by saints do not have necessity of intonation. These mantras are for each and everyone and they give the spiritual benefit in time.
===> In fact, the mahamantras from Saints overtake all Yogic and Tantric mantras and practices in long run. And, they are the only one which give spiritual benefit. Yogic and Tantrick mantras give benefit upto certain stage. Later, they merge into the mahamantras. Therefore, in Vedas, which is the orginal mother of all tantrism, Buddism, Jainism, and even other later day religions including Christianity, Judaism, etc. after all the mantras they say:
hariH OM. which is a mahaamantra.
OM ShantiH.
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===> In fact, the mahamantras from Saints overtake all Yogic and Tantric mantras and practices in long run. And, they are the only one which give spiritual benefit. Yogic and Tantrick mantras give benefit upto certain stage. Later, they merge into the mahamantras. Therefore, in Vedas, which is the orginal mother of all tantrism, Buddism, Jainism, and even other later day religions including Christianity, Judaism, etc. after all the mantras they say:
hariH OM. which is a mahaamantra.
OM ShantiH.
Yes and no.
Again, in the Kula Arnava-Tantra, (2.10), it states that Shiva declares that he extracted the Tantric teachings by churning the "ocean of the Vedas and Agamas with the staff of wisdom."
It suggests that the Vedas were indeed the foundation of the Tantras. It is not that the Vedas are worthless in itself, only that the people of the Kali-yuga of our time are not capable of employing them successfully, therefore, the Tantra replaces the Vedas in this age of the Kali-yuga. There are even those like the Narayaniya Tantra that claim that the Vedas originated from the Tantras, not the other way.
Going back to the topic of mantras, yes I agree with you, that chanting of mantras may have some perceived "spiritual benefit", a feeling of wellness which is a good thing, but for the most part, the chanting of mantras if not done properly is useless. Perhaps, the mere act of chanting or even hearing the sounds by themselves, may open up some form of awakening in the individual is a good thing.
Also, the three most important requirements for proper recitation of the mantras are mindfulness, regularity and a large number of repetitions.
Namaste
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| Dear Kaos:
1. I fully agree with the last statement of yours, I mean 100 percent.
2. As for the rest, those are statements made by the teachers of particular methods, such as Tantra, to their students, I mean students of their path. There are other teachers who made statement that the only path suitable for KaliYuga is that of Devotion.
3. For the spiritual seeker, the mantra also called as remembering god, in any pronunciation, or any method is more than enough. This has been proven by many saints who had as their devotees many accomplished Yogis from Tantrism, etc.
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| It is also important to keep a record of the number of repetitions when one chants mantras.
This is done by means of a rosary or mala, with 108 beads plus one "master bead" representing one's guru.
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| Kaos - 2007-06-04 10:14 PM
It is also important to keep a record of the number of repetitions when one chants mantras.
This is done by means of a rosary or mala, with 108 beads plus one "master bead" representing one's guru.
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| Victoria,
Here are some common mantras used in kundalini yoga:
http://www.kundaliniyoga.org/mantra.html
As Neel suggested, you can also ask your teacher for more info.
I'm glad you enjoyed your class.
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mishoga - 2007-06-11 8:03 AM
I love this chant/mantra "ONG NAMO, GURU DEV NAMO"
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SisMishy: See your PMs.
mishoga - 2007-06-11 8:03 AM
I love this chant/mantra "ONG NAMO, GURU DEV NAMO"
Neel, I did read my PM. I haven't replied because I was pondering on my response (I do this often when I'm not sure how to respond).
Believe it or not I haven't had a sufficient amount of time to sit and focus on your mantra. I have been working a lot, in my workshops, had some extra workshops in my schedule, getting ready for my broadcast appearance, taking care of kids and doctors appointments, etc.....
Tackling some health issues here with a few family members, which is taking all my spare time (not that I have a lot). And to top it off, all the stress is causing havoc on my emotional and physical well-being. I am so stressed. My heart is racing lately. I know I need to relax but I just can't.
I was told by a few fellow yogis in my community that I need to calm and balance my heart center.
This is what I am instructed to do but I don't even have an hour to myself to practice.
"Invite" the entire methodology.
2. 5-Point Sitting Posture with "4 Level of Straightness."
3. "Invite" the 3 main channels as described.
4. 9 Purification breaths- Visualize each channel, eliminate the associated "poison(s)" and replace with associated "positve attibute(s)."
5. Purify mind stream- with approriate "element" & following Mantra: RAM, YANG, MANG.
6. Strengthen "wind horses" and related energy zone with following Mantra: AH, OM, HUNG.
7. Perform "Heart Wind Horse" Tsa Lung followed by "Pervasive Wind Horse" Tsa Lung.
8. In "equipoise mudra" visualize sitting in a lotus and recite the following Mantra: OM MANI PADME HUM- Pronounce it like "AUM MANEE PAYMAY HUNGAUM....and repeat 108 times." It is repeated as a circular mantra.
9. Dedication.
What is your feelings on this?
I am feeling like I'm on the verge of massive anxiety, actually, I'm probably there already.
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| Darling Mishy: My PM does not talk about the Audio I sent to you. It addresses this issue only. So, kindly read it. It is 3 points only. Best luck.
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| Mish - STOP!!! Seriously. you need to nurture yourself before you burn out and are unable to nurture others. You do not need a ten point program or anything to do with horses, unless it is going for a nice gentle ride in the woods. FQM or TQM (5 quiet minutes or ten quiet minutes) is 100% essential during times like this. You must make time in your day to do this, even if it is sitting in the car between appointments. No music, no breathing patterns, just quiet. It iwll be hard for you, I know, but you need it 
Broadcast appearance - this could be at the root of all the anxiety. We know you are stressed about the whole idea. But what are you going to do on the broadcast? If it is an interview, you already know everything you need to say. If you are demonstrating, you should have a "back pocket" routine that you can do with minimal to zero prep. I'll concede that you may need to shop for a new outfit, but really, I did a TV thing years ago in a hand me down and everyone thought it was great. So scratch this off the list.
Health problems - another stress situation for you - scared of the doctor! You don't tell us much about it, but if it not a life threatening situation (which we all hope it isn't!!!) there is the possibility you don't need to be AS involved in it as you are. If you can detach even a little from this, it would be good.
Teaching and workshops. It is hard to give up teaching but sometimes you just gotta do it. If you are not having time to practice to the extent that you are feeling this stressed, you are setting a really bad example for your students. Get a sub, teach a restorative class where you join the students in the poses, teach a silent class, whatever you need to do. If I am tired at the end of a long stint of teaching, even a silent savasana where I don't talk the class through the relaxation can be a huge relief.
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| mishoga - 2007-06-11 12:20 PM
kulkarnn - 2007-06-11 9:59 AM
SisMishy: See your PMs.
mishoga - 2007-06-11 8:03 AM
I love this chant/mantra "ONG NAMO, GURU DEV NAMO"
Neel, I did read my PM. I haven't replied because I was pondering on my response (I do this often when I'm not sure how to respond ).
Believe it or not I haven't had a sufficient amount of time to sit and focus on your mantra. I have been working a lot, in my workshops, had some extra workshops in my schedule, getting ready for my broadcast appearance, taking care of kids and doctors appointments, etc.....
Tackling some health issues here with a few family members, which is taking all my spare time (not that I have a lot ). And to top it off, all the stress is causing havoc on my emotional and physical well-being. I am so stressed. My heart is racing lately. I know I need to relax but I just can't.
I was told by a few fellow yogis in my community that I need to calm and balance my heart center.
This is what I am instructed to do but I don't even have an hour to myself to practice.
"Invite" the entire methodology.
2. 5-Point Sitting Posture with "4 Level of Straightness."
3. "Invite" the 3 main channels as described.
4. 9 Purification breaths- Visualize each channel, eliminate the associated "poison (s )" and replace with associated "positve attibute (s )."
5. Purify mind stream- with approriate "element" & following Mantra: RAM, YANG, MANG.
6. Strengthen "wind horses" and related energy zone with following Mantra: AH, OM, HUNG.
7. Perform "Heart Wind Horse" Tsa Lung followed by "Pervasive Wind Horse" Tsa Lung.
8. In "equipoise mudra" visualize sitting in a lotus and recite the following Mantra: OM MANI PADME HUM- Pronounce it like "AUM MANEE PAYMAY HUNGAUM....and repeat 108 times." It is repeated as a circular mantra.
9. Dedication.
What is your feelings on this?
I am feeling like I'm on the verge of massive anxiety, actually, I'm probably there already.
Hi Mish,
Sorry I am replying you even if you didn't asked it. Take it just as a friendly advice (or discard it if you wish).
Stress, anxiety and burn out are part and parcel of modern life. The problem with them is that many times people know that they are stressed but still "something" won't allow them to get rid of it. Recently I conducted a workshop on Concentration, Memory Improvement, Stress and Relaxation. There I asked participants to answer a set of question that indicate if they are stressed and burnout. Most of them were surprised to see that they demonstrate symptoms of stress and burnout in daily lives. Balancing heart center etc. is ok but the most important is to destroy the root cause. Without that any exercise will be useless in longer run. I wish you best for that and I am sure you will be fit and fine soon.
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| I am not going to answer your question posed at Bipinji. He shall do so. But, I want to add:
- Dear Mishy: The type of meditation one does depend on that person's background. And, therefore, mediation should be formed after studying with an experienced teacher or by studying a method which can account for student's background.
mishoga - 2007-06-12 8:21 AM
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | mishoga - 2007-06-12 8:21 AM Do you suggest meditation as means for exploration in the ways to destroy the root cause? Hey Mishoga, After what I just read....I would seriously look at your "balance" issues and "spreading yourself too thin" issues. It's not easy being Super Mom and Super Woman. We live in a society of over-achievers....which can kill you. Having that said....I'll give you an example. I've been making all these beeswax candles for this lady to sell at her store. In doing so it's got my wheels turning and I've already created something in the way of a small business. Yesterday, I was putting the finishing touches on everything and realized something, I could see stress a-coming. My husband was in my ear telling me, you can do this, open up a shop, and make tons of $$$. All of a sudden I just said STOP!! This has to be allowed to grow. I can't think about those things that you're talking about because I'm not there yet and thinking about it was taking the joy, passion and fun out of what I was trying to accomplish. This is where so many people make mistakes and where STRESS begins, it's also called putting the cart before the horse. So, take several steps back and observe. Then proceed slowly - in ALL of your affairs and practices...whatever they may bee,  Best wishes and good luck. Oh yea...about all those mantras.... They can get really confusing can't they?? Om Mani Padme Hung or Hum is the mantra for the Buddha of Great Compassion, Avolakiteshvara, and in Tibet he is called Chenrezig. They say HH Dalai Lama is the incarnation of this Buddha - this is his mantra. I think its very important to pick one mantra, or japa, and use it daily. Quality is more important than Quantity. Meanwhile.... Om Shanti Shanti Shanthi - Peace, Peace and lots of Peace
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Location: right where I'm supposed to be | Cyndi - 2007-06-12 10:11 AM
mishoga - 2007-06-12 8:21 AM Do you suggest meditation as means for exploration in the ways to destroy the root cause? Hey Mishoga, After what I just read....I would seriously look at your "balance" issues and "spreading yourself too thin" issues. It's not easy being Super Mom and Super Woman. We live in a society of over-achievers....which can kill you.
I know, you're correct Cyndi.
I know I'm in need of detachment. I felt it for the first time this weekend during my workshop.
I taught my 2 hour vinyasa class on sunday morning, then went straight to my workshop (2nd day)
I was so physically and emotionally spent that it was manifesting in my lower back. For about two hours of the workshop, I was either in Savasana or balasana supported by a bolster.
During the break, all the TT students left the studio. It was only me laying in supported savasana and my mentor. Our studio is very quiet. I didn't open my eyes. I was just laying there breathing and trying to release the tension through my whole being.
We were there for about 20 minutes before the break ended. The whole time he was chanting......a soft whisper, a circular mantra. At the completion of each chant, I would hear the sliding and click of his beads.
I don't know how to describe the sensations that invaded. I can say it felt so comforting down to my core. I feel so priviledged to have shared that space with him.
Something did open up in me in this weekend's workshop. We actually sang the "Ong Namo Guru Dev Namo, Sat Kartar" mantra while practicing kundalini movements. I have never felt so much love. My heart just opened completely. I want to be in that space, feeling overwhleming joy! I can't place any words on the way I felt.
Incredible, magnificent, trance-like, calm, tranquil, absorbed, loved, secure, serene, stable, grounded, etc...................HOME!
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| mishoga - 2007-06-12 7:21 AM
Do you suggest meditation as means for exploration in the ways to destroy the root cause?
I would suggest three way approach:
1. Find out where friction exists
In my opinion stress is caused by friction within and between human personalities. All of us are made up of five personalities - physical, pranic, emotional, intellectual and bliss. They correspond to five koshas explained in various Yogic texts. Whenever there is any friction within or between these personalities stress is born. So, one needs to find out where exactly the friction exists. You can use tools such as introspection, mauna, maintaining a diary to get idea about it.
2. Correct the living style to avoid/reduce friction
Once you realize the cause of friction you need to take corrective steps to avoid or reduce this friction. These steps may include setting your expectations, setting your priorities and goals, slowing down to avoid burnouts and things like that.
3. Apply Yoga
Along the side you can apply Yogic techniques such as meditations, pranayama, visualizations and affirmations and Yoga Nidra. Which techniques to use is not a set rule (as it depends on individual under consideration) and one may go to some teacher/mentor/guru for those recommendations.
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Yeah, ok. And what have you done for yourself TODAY, hmmmm? I am not letting you off the hook, my dear
Actually, I forced myself to turn off the phone, walk away from the computer, and lay down.
I played the Chakra Healing Zone CD (because landscapers were polluting with their volume of noise), placed two bolsters under my knees, grabbed my eye bag and just breathed. I was so uncomfortable and had to keep refocusing on my breath.
After awhile I said to myself "OK, this is enough!" I felt like I was only in that position for 20 minutes (and struggling the whole time) but when I finally came out, I realized I was in savasana for 1 hour and 15 minutes. My heart rate had slowed tremendously and I felt so much more balanced and calm. It was just what I needed. Even my husband noticed the change in my voice.
I have to bring my youngest son in for a consult with a doctor today so I am going to do the same this morning. I need to be the rock for my son since he is very nervous.
It's funny how we (meaning all) resist what is so necessary.
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| mishoga - 2007-06-13 6:10 AM It's funny how we (meaning all) resist what is so necessary. In the restorative training I took, Judith Lasater pointed out how when we're thirsty, we never deny ourselves water, like it's a show of moral weakness to take that drink. If we're thirsty, we drink, no questions asked. So why do we do that to ourselves when we need rest? | |
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mishoga - 2007-06-13 6:10 AM It's funny how we (meaning all) resist what is so necessary. In the restorative training I took, Judith Lasater pointed out how when we're thirsty, we never deny ourselves water, like it's a show of moral weakness to take that drink. If we're thirsty, we drink, no questions asked. So why do we do that to ourselves when we need rest?
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| kulkarnn - 2007-06-13 7:06 AM ===> That is because: Taking Rest is more difficult than Doing Something. So very true. But still a valuable "something" that needs to be "done". Actually, the analogy with water, as much as it isn't quite exact, is something I go back to often now, when I find myself resisting the urge to rest when I need it. For me, it reminds me that not doing is something of value, as opposed to slacking off. Another thing I took with me from that training was the practice of taking one thing a day off my to-do list on a regular basis when I find I'm starting to judge my self-worth based on how many chores and tasks I accomplished that day. Things that I used to consider "essential" (like feeling obligated to wear makeup just to go to the grocery store) that really would interfere with my sense of peace during my day. Small things, really, that in the end really are huge. Knowing what the things are that disturb your sense of peace is the first step, I believe. Finding things that restore that sense of peace for you is next. Third would be to actually put all that into practice on a daily basis (the hardest one, imo). But I believe that is exactly what BipinJoshi already said. 
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Please ...............everyone stop for one moment, a full minute and send healing energy to my son Maverick.
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| mishoga - 2007-06-13 10:33 AM I'm going to pick up my son. Please ...............everyone stop for one moment, a full minute and send healing energy to my son Maverick. I will be forever grateful. "Ra Ma Da Sa, Sa Say So Hung" It's a healing mantra. I just went running to it, playing on my iPod, over 30 minutes long. It's still playing now, in fact. Mish, know that it's out there, for you, your son, and everyone else who needs healing (all of us).
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| GURU RINPOCHE (Vajra Guru) Mantra
Om Ah Hung Vajra Guru Pema Siddhi Hung
(pronounced) Om Ah Hung Benza Guru Pema Siddi Hung
The Vajra guru mantra is Padmasambhava (Guru Rinpoche) in the form of sound.
To recite the Vajra guru mantra once is the equivalent to the blessing of reciting.....or practicing the whole teaching of the Buddha.
Guru Rinpoche is considered by Tibetan Buddhists to be the second Buddha.
My best wishes to you mish and your family.
OM Shanti Shanti OM
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Location: right where I'm supposed to be | Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Metta to all
(Kaos, I am very familiar with Rinpoche since Tibetan Buddhism greatly influences Rahini Yoga. He might very well be the second Buddha )
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Kaos - 2007-06-13 5:55 PM GURU RINPOCHE (Vajra Guru) Mantra Om Ah Hung Vajra Guru Pema Siddhi Hung (pronounced) Om Ah Hung Benza Guru Pema Siddi Hung The Vajra guru mantra is Padmasambhava (Guru Rinpoche) in the form of sound. To recite the Vajra guru mantra once is the equivalent to the blessing of reciting.....or practicing the whole teaching of the Buddha. Guru Rinpoche is considered by Tibetan Buddhists to be the second Buddha. My best wishes to you mish and your family. OM Shanti Shanti OM I just want to say that, Traditionally, these mantras are given by way of oral transmission, by way of initiation and/or the guru whispers in the student's ear. This is a real important aspect regarding the recitation of mantras. In Tibetan Buddhism, in order to recite and pratice the Heruka Vajrasattva purifying meditation, you need teachings and a clear understanding about this powerful practice. There are many vows associated with it. Without purifying your mind to prepare it for spiritual realizations, you will make little progress towards enlightenment. Actions of the body, speech, and mind leaves imprints upon the consciousness, like seeds planted in a field. When the conditions are right, these imprints ripen into experiences. Positive imprints, or good karma, bring the result of happiness. Negative imprints, or bad karma, bring suffering. | |
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| Cyndi, you beat me to it.
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| Cyndi - 2007-06-14 10:35 AM
Positive imprints, or good karma, bring the result of happiness. Negative imprints, or bad karma, bring suffering.
Yes, but what if there are no imprints.
Ideally, chanting of mantras is taught and guided by a teacher, however,
people who wish to develop compassion can chant "Om mani padme hum" or the Tara mantra Om Tare Tuttare Ture Svaha (pronounced sometimes as "Om Tare Tu Tare Ture Soha") without
the intervention of lamas.
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Kaos - 2007-06-14 1:57 PM Yes, but what if there are no imprints. There are imprints...there is no doubt about that. Everything thing you do has an imprint. To say that you don't have an imprint, then perhaps you are already enlightened, hmm? Ideally, chanting of mantras is taught and guided by a teacher, however, people who wish to develop compassion can chant "Om mani padme hum" or the Tara mantra Om Tare Tuttare Ture Svaha (pronounced sometimes as "Om Tare Tu Tare Ture Soha") without the intervention of lamas. This is true....it is also why there is such a thing called "American Yoga". We've had real long debated discussions about this here on the forum. The Tara mantra you referenced is actually the Mantra of the Green Tara. She is the Diety of protection and wealth and is the main diety that the Tibetans in present day Tibet worship. In Nepal and Hindu culture, she is Durga. Again, please see my statements above regarding mantras. It's not about lama's intervening...in Hindu culture, mantras are given to children by their parents and the family guru and/or priest. It's the tradition that has to be given to you and passed on in the way of oral transmission. | |
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Location: right where I'm supposed to be | Hmmmmmmmm, this is interesting. This is a lesson for me.
Thanks guys
Either way, send some loving for my little boy Maverick | |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Mishoga,What is wrong with Maverick?? I think I missed something here. | |
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Location: right where I'm supposed to be | He's having some digestive problems. Was at the hospital doing some testing yesterday. He was very upset. They had to perform an invasive procedure. It's hard watching your child cry from fear, discomfort, and feelings of being violated.
I'll get the results on Monday. I'm crossing my fingers, and praying to my divine spirit for strength
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| Cyndi - 2007-06-14 2:35 PM
..To say that you don't have an imprint, then perhaps you are already enlightened, hmm?
Please enlighten us on how one gets to be "un-enlightened".
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| "Enlightenment" is a Western term.
"Enlightenment" and "un-enlightnement", two sides of the same coin.
As Lama Anagarika Govinda explained:
Thus, the good and bad, the sacred and the profane, the sensual and the spiritual, the worldly and the transcendental, ignorance and Enlightenment, samsara and nirvana, etc., are not absolute opposites, or concepts of entirely different categories, but two sides of the same reality.
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| And, out of these two sides, one is desirable and the other undesirable, in a life of a particular person.
Kaos - 2007-06-16 3:43 PM
"Enlightenment" is a Western term.
"Enlightenment" and "un-enlightnement", two sides of the same coin.
As Lama Anagarika Govinda explained:
Thus, the good and bad, the sacred and the profane, the sensual and the spiritual, the worldly and the transcendental, ignorance and Enlightenment, samsara and nirvana, etc., are not absolute opposites, or concepts of entirely different categories, but two sides of the same reality.
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| kulkarnn - 2007-06-16 7:24 PM
And, out of these two sides, one is desirable and the other undesirable, in a life of a particular person.
And as long as he desires one or the other, his material consciousness will oblige him to transfer from one body to another.
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| That is wonderful. Only in Human Body, can the liberation takes place. When the material consciousness is purified to the most desirable level, the grace of Lord will automatically yield liberation to such a person. And, then he will go out of body and come into body at will. For those who have no material consciousness, there is nothing to talk, discuss, or state. It is all immaterial!!!
Kaos - 2007-06-17 1:07 PM
kulkarnn - 2007-06-16 7:24 PM
And, out of these two sides, one is desirable and the other undesirable, in a life of a particular person.
And as long as he desires one or the other, his material consciousness will oblige him to transfer from one body to another.
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Thanks NB for that clarification. I didn't have time or the patience to try and expain all this. Besides, you do such a better job than I, always, Kaos, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment...either you are or you are not. I'm not sure how that relates to anything I've posted regarding this thread. Take care, | |
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| Cyndi - 2007-06-19 8:31 AM
Kaos, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment...either you are or you are not.
Take care.
Cyndi, there is also no such thing as "enlightenment". In a sense, we ARE already enlightened, we just don't know it.
Take care also,
Kaos
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| Darling Kao: Yes, our real true nature is ONLY being enlightened. Enlightenment means to realize or know that for sure. And, Un-enlightenment is absence of that knowledge.
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Cyndi - 2007-06-19 8:31 AM
Kaos, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment...either you are or you are not.
Take care.
Cyndi, there is also no such thing as "enlightenment". In a sense, we ARE already enlightened, we just don't know it.
Take care also,
Kaos
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| kulkarnn - 2007-06-19 9:47 PM
Darling Kao: Yes, our real true nature is ONLY being enlightened. Enlightenment means to realize or know that for sure. And, Un-enlightenment is absence of that knowledge.
Namaste, kulkarnn,
The Lord has the universe for a body.
-- Pratyabhijna-Hridaya
Liberation is eventually realized by means of the verticalist, horizontalist, or integralist approach.
This whole subject is worth a separate thread.
Take care,
Kaos
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| Kaos - 2007-06-19 8:00 PM
Cyndi - 2007-06-19 8:31 AM
...either you are or you are not.
There is no "either", "or", only the Absolute.
Namaste
Kaos
purnam adah, purnam idam, purnat purnam udacyate purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasisyate:
Translation:
"The great fullness or plenum is Brahman', the Absolute. From fullness, nothing that is not full can come."
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| Darling Kaos:
I could not exactly get connection, perhaps my problem. But, 'purnamidam' mantra from the Upanishad is the expression of the one who has realized the Brahman and Unity of that Brahman throughout the Material and NonMaterial Universe. And, to get that realization is the Enlightenment. | |
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Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | kulkarnn - 2007-06-19 9:47 PM Darling Kao: Yes, our real true nature is ONLY being enlightened. Enlightenment means to realize or know that for sure. And, Un-enlightenment is absence of that knowledge. Kaos - 2007-06-19 8:00 PM Cyndi - 2007-06-19 8:31 AM Kaos, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment...either you are or you are not. Take care. Cyndi, there is also no such thing as "enlightenment". In a sense, we ARE already enlightened, we just don't know it. Take care also, Kaos Well, you cannot "un-do" enlightenment...so therefore, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment. Like I said, either you are or you are not. To place "un" before a word is to un-do. | |
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| Cyndi - 2007-06-20 9:33 AM
Well, you cannot "un-do" enlightenment...so therefore, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment. Like I said, either you are or you are not. To place "un" before a word is to un-do.
Similarly, can you take water out of water?
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| kulkarnn - 2007-06-20 7:32 AM
But, 'purnamidam' mantra from the Upanishad is the expression of the one who has realized the Brahman and Unity of that Brahman throughout the Material and NonMaterial Universe. And, to get that realization is the Enlightenment.
Samsara equals nirvana.
This is the "other" world.
There is no "either", "or". Separateness is a disease of the mind.
Superior wisdom renders the phenomenal world as transparent. Things are not separated, but everything is seen together, understood together. There is only the Absolute.
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