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Patanjali, Vishnu, and Siva
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Bay Guy
Posted 2006-02-18 10:00 PM (#44035)
Subject: Patanjali, Vishnu, and Siva



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This is, I guess, a question on Hinduism.

Siva is generally thought of as the archetypical yogi (at least, in his ascetic realization).
Yet, Patanjali has much stronger associations with Vishnu, as descendant of Adishesha.

And then if I think about famous yogacharyas, Iyengar is a Vaishnavite while Pattabhi Jois
is a Shaivite.

Any thoughts on this?

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GreenJello
Posted 2006-02-18 10:56 PM (#44043 - in reply to #44035)
Subject: RE: Patanjali, Vishnu, and Siv


Interesting that Iyengar is associated with a static style, while his deity of choice is associate with preservation. Similarily with PJ and Shaivitism, active deity, active practice.
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Bay Guy
Posted 2006-02-19 10:26 PM (#44087 - in reply to #44043)
Subject: RE: Patanjali, Vishnu, and Siv



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Well, as noted in another thread, Iyengar practiced jumpings for much of his life.
And he hsd been a Vaishnavite throughout, so far as I can tell. But otherwise,
you make a very good point.

Iyengar is also rather devoted to Hanuman -- Maruta nandana -- who is certainly associated
with motion, as Son of the Wind. Hanuman sits atop the Iyengar Institute in Pune.

I remain a bit puzzled about the influence of Siva and Vishnu on the practice of Raja or
Hatha yoga. It's interesting that the Siva Samhita is in many ways similar to the
Hatha Yoga Pradipika, but I'm not sure whether that similarity is significant or not.
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Cyndi
Posted 2006-02-20 9:28 AM (#44105 - in reply to #44035)
Subject: RE: Patanjali, Vishnu, and Siva



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Hey BG,

Going back to the original question, although I'm not exactly sure what the ? is. I think it's whatever diety you relate to or with. For instance, my husband is a Shiva devotee, however, he was born on Tuesday which is Hanuman day, so he is also close to Hanuman...it's also why he is the body builder that he is. Hanuman removes all obstacles and evil from your life. Did you know the story about how he moved that entire mountain? Or the story in Sri Lanka, when Sita was kidnapped from Ram, Hanuman went to Sri Lanka and retrieved her. There are some little islands connecting India to Sri Lanka, that were the stepping stones for Hanuman when he saved Sita. There's a cools story about this, I just gave you the gist of it. I think it's 75% correct,

I was born on Sunday, therefore I am very close to Balaji, Vishnu. Saturday is also considered Balaji day as well. My very first experience with the Hindu temple was with Balaji, so it made perfect sense for me. Most Yogi's are Shiva devotees because Shiva is the Master of Yoga. Shiva taught Parvarti Yoga as well. I'm sure there are some really nice intelligent explanations of this, but this is my simple version of what I know.

Actually, I relate to all the dieties at different times of the week and the year. It's not a one or the other kinda thing. They all have significant meanings in relation to my life and I worship them all. Most Hindu priest will tell you that the dieties represent God in different forms and are simply tools and guides to live by or worship.

You haven't lived until you've been to the Shakti temple,

Edited by Cyndi 2006-02-20 9:29 AM
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Bay Guy
Posted 2006-02-20 9:33 AM (#44108 - in reply to #44105)
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Well, my question might be stated more briefly by asking
how Patanjali connects to Shiva, if at all. I've seen him
carved in a pillar in a Vishnu temple.

Om Shakti!!

........... bg
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GreenJello
Posted 2006-02-20 9:47 AM (#44111 - in reply to #44105)
Subject: RE: Patanjali, Vishnu, and Siv


Cyndi - 2006-02-20 9:28 AM

You haven't lived until you've been to the Shakti temple,

Okay.... what goes on in the Shakti temple?
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Cyndi
Posted 2006-02-20 9:47 AM (#44112 - in reply to #44108)
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Bay Guy - 2006-02-20 9:33 AM


Well, my question might be stated more briefly by asking
how Patanjali connects to Shiva, if at all. I've seen him
carved in a pillar in a Vishnu temple.



Who carved on a pillar in the Balaji temple, Patanjali or Shiva?? The Balaji temple that I visit has all the dieties carved into the temple, and some that I still haven't figured out yet. Just because Patanjali is a Shiva devotee, he probably has a relationship with Balaji too, like me,
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Posted 2006-02-20 10:00 AM (#44120 - in reply to #44112)
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The Iyengar family also recently built a temple to Patanjali - the first ever, they say. It is in Bellur - birthplace of BKS. The amazing thing to me is that if you look at photos of it, it looks just as ancient as other temples in India. Instant antiquity!
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Cyndi
Posted 2006-02-20 10:04 AM (#44122 - in reply to #44111)
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GreenJello - 2006-02-20 9:47 AM

Cyndi - 2006-02-20 9:28 AM

You haven't lived until you've been to the Shakti temple,


Okay.... what goes on in the Shakti temple?


GJ, I can't talk to you about that...it's a personal experience,

Edited by Cyndi 2006-02-20 10:06 AM
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Cyndi
Posted 2006-02-20 10:24 AM (#44127 - in reply to #44120)
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tourist - 2006-02-20 10:00 AM

The Iyengar family also recently built a temple to Patanjali - the first ever, they say. It is in Bellur - birthplace of BKS. The amazing thing to me is that if you look at photos of it, it looks just as ancient as other temples in India. Instant antiquity!


Tourist,

All Hindu temples look ancient to me! I've only been to the American temples so far.

A couple of years ago I met a S. Indian Photojournalist who produced a book on Andhra Pradesh. It is absolutely the most beautiful book I have ever had. There is one temple that I will visit first when I go to India. It's called the Tirumala Gopuram. It is the abode of Lord Venkateshwara, which is situated in Eastern Ghats. Both the Vimana over the sanctum sanctorum and the temple flag post are plated with gold. They say this temple is the second richest temple in the world. To get here you have to start at Alipiri, which is the starting point of the seven hills. The serpentine stairway takes the pilgrims to the top of the hills where the temple is situated. It is an absolutely incredible place.

BTW, the Atlanta Hindu Temple was built as a replica of the Tirumala Gopuram temple...which I didn't know until much later when I made the connection.

I can't wait to go temple hopping in India,

Edited by Cyndi 2006-02-20 10:37 AM
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GreenJello
Posted 2006-02-20 10:51 AM (#44133 - in reply to #44122)
Subject: RE: Patanjali, Vishnu, and Siv


Cyndi - 2006-02-20 10:04 AM

GreenJello - 2006-02-20 9:47 AM

Cyndi - 2006-02-20 9:28 AM

You haven't lived until you've been to the Shakti temple,


Okay.... what goes on in the Shakti temple?


GJ, I can't talk to you about that...it's a personal experience,

Fair enough. What would it take for a silly monkey like myself to be admitted to such a thing?
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Cyndi
Posted 2006-02-20 10:55 AM (#44134 - in reply to #44133)
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What do you mean be admitted to such a thing?? If you really want to know, find a Shakti temple and go. Just make sure you take a shower first, and take your shoes off at the door. Whenever you are offered something, take it with your right hand and not your left and you'll do just fine.
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Bay Guy
Posted 2006-02-20 9:18 PM (#44228 - in reply to #44112)
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Cyndi - 2006-02-20 9:47 AM

Bay Guy - 2006-02-20 9:33 AM


Well, my question might be stated more briefly by asking
how Patanjali connects to Shiva, if at all. I've seen him
carved in a pillar in a Vishnu temple.



Who carved on a pillar in the Balaji temple, Patanjali or Shiva?? The Balaji temple that I visit has all the dieties carved into the temple, and some that I still haven't figured out yet. Just because Patanjali is a Shiva devotee, he probably has a relationship with Balaji too, like me,


Patanjali was carved on a pillar in a Vishnu temple. Siva, he's often there someplace in
a Vishnu temple, stuffed away in a corner or something. The Lakshmi temple in Delhi
has got about a dozen other deities as large statues, and in white stone. It's sort of
shocking to go down south from there, since the deities are more likely to be in black.
Lakshmi in Delhi: albaster, I think. Lakshmi in Chennai: obsidian, more or less.

But anyway, back to the Shatki temple -- which deity? Durga, perhaps?
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Cyndi
Posted 2006-02-20 10:02 PM (#44236 - in reply to #44228)
Subject: RE: Patanjali, Vishnu, and Siva



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Actually I don't think that's uncommon really BG to have various dieties in the Vishnu temple. Vishnu or Balaji is the like a Father, and a good friend. He is the sustainer.

Speaking of temples....Sunday is MahaShivaratri. I won't be here on this forum, I will be at the Shiva temple singing Bhajans with my husband who was asked by the priest to lead the singing. Which means we shall be there all night long.

Yes, Shakti = Durga, Kali, Parvarti, Laxmi, Saraswati and others...who are also there as well
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Bay Guy
Posted 2006-02-21 9:10 PM (#44380 - in reply to #44236)
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Sounds like a fun Sunday. Do you start on Saturday and finish Sunday, or
is it overnight until Monday?

Most temples that I've been in have had many deities, but some are more
common in one kind of temple than another. I saw much more of Sri Ganesha
in Siva temples (not surprising, as Ganesha is Siva's son) and I saw more
of Sri Hanuman in Vishnu temples (also not surprising given Hanuman's devotion
to Ramavatar).

I still wonder whether there's a connection of Patanjali to Siva. It won't be in
the Puranas, I guess, since they were written before or during Patanjali's time
weren't they? Not sure.

... hmm?
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Cyndi
Posted 2006-02-22 1:44 PM (#44499 - in reply to #44380)
Subject: Maha Shivaratri



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Hey BG,

Maha Shivarathri is celebrated annually on the night before the second new moon of the year. During this time planetary alignment creates a natural upsurge of energies which provides an atmosphere conducive for meditation and spiritual growth. It is important on this day to remain awake from 6:00 pm until 6:00 am with the spine upright, this starts on Sunday and ends on Monday morning. It will certainly be an interesting time for sure. Last year was really intense. This year I can't wait to see what happens. Satyam is going to be singing Bhajans in the temple starting around 10:30 pm. We plan on staying as long as my spine will stay upright,
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Bay Guy
Posted 2006-02-22 9:16 PM (#44557 - in reply to #44499)
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Cyndi --- Sounds like fun.

Hare Hare Mahadeva Shambu!

Om nama Sivaya,

.........bg
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Cyndi
Posted 2006-02-22 9:55 PM (#44564 - in reply to #44557)
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Jai Shambu!!!!!!!

Wake up Shiva!!!
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