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Expert Yogi Posts: 5098  Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Another good example is in wind relieving pose. Your cutting the circulation off to your colon. From a traditional Chinese Medical viewpoint, you're simply stimulating the energy in colon...in fact, stimulating the organs is the whole point of acunpuncture/accupressure. So, I'm sure there are all kinds of "scientific" explanations and "non-scientific" ones...one things for certain, it just works. I try not to focus too much on these aspects of yoga, simply because it's kinda a waste of time. Unless, of course there is something that really needs my attention. Usually, I don't waste too much time trying to figure it all out. I just keep it moving....speaking of movement..... My all time favorite Bikram term, not sure whether this is really Bikram or not....."All organs need to be massaged and moved. The definition of DEAD is NO movement",  | ||
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Location: London, England | Hi Andre, Drat!  That's a good question. I suspect that there's probably a spectrum of causes and effects, depending on the mind and body of the practicioner. I don't think that the pressure differential itself would have an appreciable effect on the circulatory system-but sometimes it's the unappreciable effects that are important. I think that perhaps we try to increase our circulation by various nefarious means ( ), it is better to use the generation of muscle tension which increases the demand for oxygen for the energy demands of the muscles, and for the circulation to also become actively involved in removal of carbon dioxide-good old cardio-vascular! It is possible to do this, in my experience, only if you are skilful and strong enough to decelerate movements into postures, which can require great muscular control and strength-it takes a lot more energy, so the heart starts pumping to meet the higher demands. So i think perhaps that all forms of yoga could benefit from slowing down the movements and not being so dedicated to the postures-it's often the things we miss on the movement that determines the inaccuracies in good posture. Nick | ||
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Regular Posts: 66 | Rant - 2008-05-08 1:17 PM Yes, I too wonder about the claims about the benefits to the spleen and all that stuff. How do you counter staments like that? I'm just trying to go with the flow. The more one reads about Bikram the person, the more one disbelieves anything he says. But i do believe in his series. As a spokesman hes flamboyant, but has probably introduced more north americans to yoga than anyone else. So he may be spouting crap, but who cares  | ||
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Expert Yogi Posts: 5098 Location: Somewhere in the Mountains of Western NC | Nick - 2008-05-10 6:17 AM Hi Cyndi, Good point-but with your knowledge if Chinese medicine, and adherence to home practice and self-knowledge, that's very different to most people's and teacher's experience of Bikram or any other from of yoga-or at least I would say fairly unique. Nick True. BUT, isn't that what yoga is suppose to bee?? This is where I think the confusion lies. Firstly, there is nothing wrong with following a teacher, you have to follow some kind of guru's advice and such. There's also a time when you expand beyond that....way beyond. I think you already know that, As for the anatomy book I returned, it just felt so limiting. I couldn't even allow it into my brain, LOL BUT, I do know that some of it is necessary. From my limited knowledge of it, it's helped somewhat. I'm sure if I put more effort into it, I could be genius. It's a process, I meant to say earlier. There is no doubt that by doing yoga asana's, it allows the Chi or Prana if you will, to flow. We hold so much in areas of our body's by way of emotions and stuck energy. Sure, exercising is great for helping this...but, the way the asana's are developed, are even better for bending and moving those nitty gritty areas. IMHO, Bikram's series is one of the best for balancing and stretching the human body. It hits all the important areas of the internal organs where energy gets stuck. That is why when you start doing this practice it becomes addicting, it feels good, your body comes alive. BUT, we all sooner or later discover that there has to be a balance with this as well, because we like it so much, we over do it. The key to success is moderation. Yoga is more than just doing the asana's. Although, in today's world, we find so much peace and comfort on our mats because our lives are so out of whack - stressed to the max, that we need to let go and release constantly. I like to spend more time in nature to help with this. It's why I moved to the mountains and started beekeeping, it's my yoga. For every person reading this, you have to discover for yourself what you want to do with all your new found energy. I think its really important to channel it into something meaningful and something that holds value for you in a mindful way. Whether it be giving back to the earth, your children or society..whatever you choose, make it authentic so it will count. | ||
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Regular Posts: 73 Location: The City of Brotherly Love | Nick, First let me say that I have thouroughly enjoyed your posts and going back over the previous threads to glean some much needed knowlege (even though I am primarelly a "Bikram Head" I get as much satisfaction combing through the Iyengar thread as this one--which is usually a little less combative as well  ) . I am greatful for the points of view that you, Cyndi, Tourist and others bring to these forums. That being said, would you care to maybe provide a reading list of books that might further one's knowlege of yoga especially from an anatomical perspective or any other perspective that you would find relavant to the study of yoga? Books that might be a bit off the beaten path as it were in regards to the typical Barnes and Nobles section? Thanks again for your continued generosity. ~RB | ||
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Location: London, England | Hi Roy, Glad to be of any help I can whatsoever. I'm not sure if it would be possible to learn anatomy without a few teachers-but let's say you can do it by yourself-I would imagine it's possible, but it's better for the learning to be directed by experts who pave the way for the student to learn what happens to the human body when it is performing yoga postures. For example, a biomechanical perspective is essential when designing good posture, but the biomechanicist needs an underlying knowledge of bones, muscles, nerves, joints, along with knowledge of what happens in the various organs and cardiovascular system when the asana are performed well, or conversely, poorly. Let's say I was asked to provide a course for a bunch of students. The object of the course is to supply the students with the necessary information for them to apply yoga asana safely to either themselves or others. Now, I think teaching qualifications are often in the two-year mark, in my opinion they should be three to five years-it takes that long to do a degree, why is yoga so easy that it can be taught in two years? Anyway, back to your question. You might have a bit of a shock when you see how much some of these books cost, I've got some that cost around £100, which is a bit shocking when you are ordering on-line as these are so specialized that most book shops won't sell them, so you can't even smell them before you buy them . Also, different books and different publishers and design talk differently to different readers-you might have to use a bit of trial and error to find out what you like. I think the first thing is to get one or two good all-round anatomy books, I used 'Principles of antomy and physiology' by Tortora, but there's probably about four or five others that fit the bill. At this point, you will be cursing for spending money on a book that seems to have no relevance to asana practice-sorry about that-but you need an over-view to understand what to do with structures that are stressed by yoga practice. Over time, this investment is vital. One book that I would introduce into the syllabus very quickly is 'Anatomy trains' by Thomas Myers. It's the best book in the world at the moment for understanding how the effects of contracting a muscle at one end of the body can effect the muscles in another part of the body. For example, Myers uses the imagery of train lines, the "deep front line," which begins on the cranium, down the neck through the suprahyoid muslces, down through thorax bt the transersus thoracis, onwards through the diaphragm, psoas, adductor, and down the tibialis posterior to the long toe flexors. There are several of these lines designed by Myers and others, his work is by no means original but it is ground-breaking. It's a scandalous waste of a fantastic resource that this book is not on the teaching reading lists. If you read and unerstand this book, therefore, I can practically guarantee that you will have a greater degree of applied knowledge than is available on any current teaching course. These lines allow you to apply anatomical knowledge to understanding how contracting or lengthening a muscle is responsible for the posture being therapeutic or otherwise. Highly recommended. Perhaps this would be a good starting book, and then other books, and the internet is great for this stuff. So, maybe start with that and spend a long time digesting it-that way you get to control your posture by by creating tension, whilst 'being flexible' does not guarantee good posture, obviously. If you like, ask questions and I'll try to answer them-I really don't think it's desirable to take it on all by yourself-too many traps  I realize I haven't given a reading list as such-if you like, I'll do a proper one, say for a teaching course-then you've got some idea of what to do if it's done properly. You really need a bright spark for a teacher for this to sink in-I was incredibly fortunate in that I had three bright sparks, can't believe my good luck Nick | ||
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