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 where are you in poses pollModerators: Moderators Jump to page : 1 2 Now viewing page 1 [25 messages per page] | View previous thread :: View next thread |
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I am curious on where we are in the poses. Like to know how many beginners, intermmediate, and advanced we have. Like to know how many beginners are out there with me  Just mark the level that you are comfortable with. Sorry if this has been done before. | |||
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| Hi, I'm sorry but I don't like this poll. The reason is that it totally goes against any moral ethic in ashtanga, or even yoga. Where you're at in a series means nothing, and measuring your success by seeing where you are in the series will just make you miserable and egotistical. Even judging at what level everyone is can't be useful - How do you define senior or advanced? And we are all beginners. How about people who have injuries or chronic pain or something who practice for years and will never do certain postures because of their handicap? Where you are in poses isn't really a measure of anything. Sorry!  | |||
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| Is it a full moon or something? Don't worry Downdog, i still love ya | |||
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sorry, Jonnie- waxing crescent tonight... I got my full moon a couple of weeks ago with a crazy staff and guests!  | |||
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DownwardDog - 2007-02-17 6:44 PM Hi, I'm sorry but I don't like this poll. The reason is that it totally goes against any moral ethic in ashtanga, or even yoga. Where you're at in a series means nothing, and measuring your success by seeing where you are in the series will just make you miserable and egotistical. Even judging at what level everyone is can't be useful - How do you define senior or advanced? And we are all beginners. How about people who have injuries or chronic pain or something who practice for years and will never do certain postures because of their handicap? Where you are in poses isn't really a measure of anything. Sorry! As I said, I wasn't measuring people. Asking WHAT sequence someone is working on is not much different than asking what type of yoga someone practices. Why ask someone what type? Curiousity, to see what people are doing and maybe why they want to. Why ask someone what sequence? Curiousity, to see who is working on what. I am not even asking who, just seeing how many of what. I'd like to know how many fellow yogis are out there working on Sun Salutations. Not any different than looking around in a classroom to see how many people are in it with you. I wasn't asking are YOU advanced, but if you were working on the advanced series, that's what it is titled. How about who is working on series 3? Or the name of the third series in Sanskrit (sorry don't have the name right now). Is there anything wrong with saying hey, I just started too? Whether it be I just started on the first, second, or third. Do you go into a class and not talk to any one about your practice? If you found out someone wsa taking classes at the same place you were, would you tell them it was not ok to ask what series you were on? Maybe they were just asking to know if you were going to share a class. | |||
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Bruce - 2007-02-18 8:43 PM Doesn't matter if I say something without the intention of causing offese; however, if offense is the result, I feel I've done something wrong, i.e, communicated ineffectively or on a subconscious level, intoned something not intended. Likewise, if I see/hear read something that offends me, I look to myself as to why. Then, if there is harm caused. FInally, is that person entitled to say/write whatever as a matter of individual free speech. In my view, Tiffinay, I see nothing wrong with your poll in fact, it shows an inquisitive mind. If some are offended, too darn bad. However, since it's on a public forum, one always has to be prepared for disagreement. I can understand that. Once in a dog forum I mentioned something that was going on with my friend and her cats, and referred to her as a crazy cat person with jk beside it. I immediately got jumped on by people that were offended and said that a was stereotyping and that just because we were on a dog forum doesn't mean that they didn't also have cats. I started getting hate emails and had to hide my email address. They were so intent on jumping on me, that they had missed the part where I had said I have 4 cats and I'm proud to be a crazy cat person too. I did see something that might have been offensive, and I tried to go back and change it, but as soon as I hit submit I could not edit the choices for the poll. I wanted to go and change the part that said my kids will be pros to my kids will come out in downward dog position. | |||
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| Thanks Tourist, joscmt, and Nick You know that when you are just beginning something, it is easy to feel a little self conscious and doubtful of yourself. It is EASY to look at someone who is great at something and say I quit, I'll never be that good. It can be very hard to look at someone doing something great and say hey, can you give me some help. I was more or less intending this question as a way to say hi to all of us that just discovered yoga. Along with saying hey, to all of you that have been where we are, we're going to need your help. People on series one can use the help of people that are comfortable with it, same with series 2 and 3. As well as people that have just started a series might help someone that is already comfortable with that series or the next one remember what it was like for a newbie. Being reminded of the difficulties you might have had a long time ago and forgotten might help you be a better teacher. Or you might learn of difficulties someone can have that you did not have. Nothing wrong with saying oh yeah, I remember when I was working on that this is how I did it. Nothing wrong with saying I am having a problem help me. | |||
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| Hi osutuffy, I've been watching this post and choosing to stay out of the discussion because I don't like to get in the middle of things, but since you have returned to reply, I decided what the heck, why not? The thing is I feel that this whole disagreement is rather silly in the end, and I imagine that in a month or two, looking back, it will seem like a small matter to you and all concerned. I've also had less than pleasant interactions on this forum before, but decided to let it go and have been happy to continue posting since then. I've not been around the forum much longer than you have but I must say I am surprised that Downward Dog should have made you feel this way because in my experience I've had wonderful interactions with him (or her? I don't even know that!) and found him to be very helpful and friendly. But sometimes even a person meaning well might be misconstrued either because they expressed themselves wrongly or because they touched on a sensitive spot for the other. Since I don't really think we've interacted much before, I'd like to welcome you to the forums and I'd be more than happy to talk about ashtanga with you at any time. I am an ashtanga newbie myself, and in fact you sound about as excited as I did when I started (that was on Jan 3rd). Prior to that, I was practicing at home on my own using DVDs for about 9 months. I didn't reply to the poll because I don't know that any of the answers apply for me really, and I much prefer talking about where I am at and the hurdles I am facing daily (and by talking, I mean til I'm completely out of breath and have put everyone around me to sleep) than being a percentage on a poll. You can read about my latest progress in my "Victory" post that I wrote earlier today. Anyways, I hope this all blows over nicely and that you feel welcome to ask any question you wish here and find yourself making more friends than otherwise. I look forward to reading all about your progress and I'm rooting for you. I understand that you are going at this on your own at this point, so I hope you do continue to actively participate in the forums because I can tell you I've personally found folks around here very helpful and that's despite the fact that I have a few excellent teachers and practice at my shala daily. Ok, enough rambling, hope to chat in the future, about trivial or existential matters, whatever! sp | |||
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slowpie6 - 2007-02-18 10:10 PM Oi, I was re-reading my message and I certainly hope that the fact that I called this disagreement "silly" will not be taken as a statement on my impression of the people involved. It's the reason for the argument that is silly, not the people or the responses or whatever. I often find that if I get involved in a argument, when I take a step back and think about it, the reasons are silly. I apologize if I didn't explain myself well, I mean no offense to anyone. You make me laugh I read your post and was a little concerned that someone might think your happiness at your victory was on the competitive side. I didn't respond to yours for fear that my saying congratulations might come across as if I was encouraging you to be competitive. Now I feel foolish that I let something like this stop me from enjoying your victory with you and from expressing my happiness that you are moving forward. I tend to ramble when I am trying to make sure that someone doesn't take offense to something, and it is quite tiring. But you are right it is silly. I realized that it was when I posted that I was never coming here. Unfortunately, I am stubborn and shut my laptop down so I could not go back and edit. I am working on the stubborness Kind of hard when I have a stubborn family and bf and it's hard to reason with them I know that it is easy to misinterpret what someone means on a forum. It seems so black and white when you are reading it and can't hear voice infliction and see facial expression. It's just a little discouraging to even post when someone says I disagree with you asking this question and why are you asking, you should ask these types of questions and not the type you just asked. Makes it intimidating and I feel like I need to go run my post through a filter to see if it is yoga politically correct before I post. Then another filter to see if it is worthy enough to be asked. Then submit it before a panel of judges with an offering asking them to approve my message. I like to discuss and debate things and get different perspectives on things. I also try and respect people, I won't lie people rub me the wrong way sometimes. I started a discussion about Western yoga vs authentic yoga trying to get different perspectives. But also because people were discussing it on another person's post and it was sort of off topic for the post, so I was hoping to draw that discussion away from there. I guess if someone had read that post they might think that along with this one that I am judging. But I am not like that. I will admit that if I see so many negative sentences in a reply, that even the things that may have been meant to be positive will be read with negativity. But you did not offend me, and I usually regret when I do take offense at something. | |||
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Expert Yogi Posts: 8442 | It is funny what some people have as topics that just hit them the wrong way. Over the years here I have learned a few, but there are often little pockets of resistance and maybe fear(?) that pop up and bite us when we think we have said something innocuous and it turns into a big deal. For example, I have no memory of anyone having a problem with people posting their little victories and breakthroughs. Naturally everyone posts with a great long explanation of how they know it is not a competition and that it seems unyogic but they just have to tell the world and they hope it is okay that they high-fived the whole class the first time they lifted up into urdhva dhanurasana. But in general the response is positive and/or those who disapprove or feel they are "beyond that sort of thing" just stay out of the conversation. Personally, I am a talker and I tend to jump into conversations and my work of late is to practice tapas and restrain from replying. Sore shoulder and mousing left handed has helped a great deal!  | ||
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