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Mantras
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Kaos
Posted 2007-06-19 8:00 PM (#89757 - in reply to #89719)
Subject: RE: Mantras


Cyndi - 2007-06-19 8:31 AM

Kaos, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment...either you are or you are not.

Take care.




Cyndi, there is also no such thing as "enlightenment". In a sense, we ARE already enlightened, we just don't know it.


Take care also,
Kaos

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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-06-19 9:47 PM (#89767 - in reply to #89757)
Subject: RE: Mantras


Darling Kao: Yes, our real true nature is ONLY being enlightened. Enlightenment means to realize or know that for sure. And, Un-enlightenment is absence of that knowledge.

Kaos - 2007-06-19 8:00 PM

Cyndi - 2007-06-19 8:31 AM

Kaos, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment...either you are or you are not.

Take care.




Cyndi, there is also no such thing as "enlightenment". In a sense, we ARE already enlightened, we just don't know it.


Take care also,
Kaos

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Kaos
Posted 2007-06-20 1:18 AM (#89773 - in reply to #89767)
Subject: RE: Mantras


kulkarnn - 2007-06-19 9:47 PM

Darling Kao: Yes, our real true nature is ONLY being enlightened. Enlightenment means to realize or know that for sure. And, Un-enlightenment is absence of that knowledge.




Namaste, kulkarnn,

The Lord has the universe for a body.
-- Pratyabhijna-Hridaya


Liberation is eventually realized by means of the verticalist, horizontalist, or integralist approach.
This whole subject is worth a separate thread.

Take care,
Kaos




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Kaos
Posted 2007-06-20 4:18 AM (#89779 - in reply to #89757)
Subject: RE: Mantras


Kaos - 2007-06-19 8:00 PM

Cyndi - 2007-06-19 8:31 AM

...either you are or you are not.





There is no "either", "or", only the Absolute.

Namaste
Kaos



purnam adah, purnam idam, purnat purnam udacyate purnasya purnam adaya purnam evavasisyate:

Translation:
"The great fullness or plenum is Brahman', the Absolute. From fullness, nothing that is not full can come."





Edited by Kaos 2007-06-20 4:23 AM
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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-06-20 7:32 AM (#89785 - in reply to #79505)
Subject: RE: Mantras


Darling Kaos:
I could not exactly get connection, perhaps my problem. But, 'purnamidam' mantra from the Upanishad is the expression of the one who has realized the Brahman and Unity of that Brahman throughout the Material and NonMaterial Universe. And, to get that realization is the Enlightenment.
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Cyndi
Posted 2007-06-20 9:33 AM (#89795 - in reply to #89767)
Subject: RE: Mantras



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kulkarnn - 2007-06-19 9:47 PM Darling Kao: Yes, our real true nature is ONLY being enlightened. Enlightenment means to realize or know that for sure. And, Un-enlightenment is absence of that knowledge.
Kaos - 2007-06-19 8:00 PM
Cyndi - 2007-06-19 8:31 AM Kaos, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment...either you are or you are not. Take care.
Cyndi, there is also no such thing as "enlightenment". In a sense, we ARE already enlightened, we just don't know it. Take care also, Kaos

Well, you cannot "un-do" enlightenment...so therefore, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment.  Like I said, either you are or you are not.  To place "un" before a word is to un-do.

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Kaos
Posted 2007-06-21 10:37 AM (#89875 - in reply to #89795)
Subject: RE: Mantras


Cyndi - 2007-06-20 9:33 AM

Well, you cannot "un-do" enlightenment...so therefore, there is no such thing as un-enlightenment.  Like I said, either you are or you are not.  To place "un" before a word is to un-do.




Similarly, can you take water out of water?

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Kaos
Posted 2007-06-21 11:34 AM (#89880 - in reply to #89785)
Subject: RE: Mantras


kulkarnn - 2007-06-20 7:32 AM

But, 'purnamidam' mantra from the Upanishad is the expression of the one who has realized the Brahman and Unity of that Brahman throughout the Material and NonMaterial Universe. And, to get that realization is the Enlightenment.




Samsara equals nirvana.
This is the "other" world.

There is no "either", "or". Separateness is a disease of the mind.

Superior wisdom renders the phenomenal world as transparent. Things are not separated, but everything is seen together, understood together. There is only the Absolute.






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