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The Sun Salutation
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iandicker
Posted 2007-04-10 10:36 AM (#82911 - in reply to #82910)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation


Hi Nick,

I'm reasonably comfortable in A and B and nearly there in C, waiting for my ankle to stop hurting in B before I do D in half lotus (think it's due to not getting my foot far enough across before binding-it's coming though), so could you try to explain mari C for me please?

Guess there's some spinal spirals too? LASST maybe

Ian
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Nick
Posted 2007-04-10 11:02 AM (#82912 - in reply to #82911)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation



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Location: London, England		Hi Ian,
With mari C, the tendency is for the shoulders to become rounded, or at least one of them. The movement of the arms should try to help prevent this, and once again, spiralling the arm will do the job-rounded shoulders usually means internal shoulder rotation, and spiralling the shoulder joint will produce external rotation, which helps the shoulders to stop rounding, and helps to prevent excess spinal flexion.
With the bent leg, I usually turn externally rotate the knee joint, which shortens the distance from my heel to my sit bone. I know this isn't standard, but find it suits me better-notice that it also helps to create a spiral action through the whole leg-I suspect that many people would benfit from turning the foot.
The straight leg should also spiral-so that the action is of pulling yourself towards the heel, rather than extending your heel away from you.
Back to the arms-you should feel that the spiral turns your elbows so that when you grab hold of your hands, they are further away from the floor-you should now be able to get a better grip, or grab hold of a wrist, because the distance between the elbows is less than if the shoulders are allowed to internally rotate.
Phew!!

Nick
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Nick
Posted 2007-04-10 6:30 PM (#82955 - in reply to #82911)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation



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Location: London, England		Hi Ian,
Yes, there are spinal spirals too They are covered by the spinal engine theory by Gracovetsky, coupled motion theory of spinal motion and the myofascial meridian theory of Thomas Myers. Notice that thse are theories only-in actuality, what the spine does is completely unique-every moment,every body will never be repeated-I've never added it up, but I have read that 95% of the joints of the human body are spinal. That's a hell of a lot of joints to dictate a motion pattern to-probably not feasible.

Nick
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iandicker
Posted 2007-04-11 4:16 AM (#82991 - in reply to #82955)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation


Hi Nick,

spinal engine theory by Gracovetsky? myofascial meridian theory of Thomas Myers? Now I know you're serious, no one could possibly make up those titles, apart from Terry Pratchett

Anyway, spiral theory seems to be working well in my case, best ever practice this morning! At my last mysore class I was told I needed to relax my shoulders more which I couldn't seem to relate to the practice. This however seems to make more sense and helped me improve I think. Thanks again Nick.

Next question: is there an optimum distance between the hands and feet in down dog, and if so what is the rule of thumb to make sure you've got it right?

Ian
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Nick
Posted 2007-04-11 6:11 AM (#82993 - in reply to #82991)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation



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Location: London, England		Hi Ian,
Music to my ears-a fun practice Optimal distance in downdog? I'll get back to you on that one, but just to get yuo going, I try to get my feet as close to my hands as updog will allow-if you pulled in that posture, then your feet should be in the right place in downdog. And by the way, I never roll over my feet from updog to down-the human foot was not designed to be used for locomotion in that way-the plantar surface was designed to make contact with the ground, not the back of the foot, which is used when people roll from updog to downdog.

Nick
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iandicker
Posted 2007-04-11 6:21 AM (#82995 - in reply to #82993)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation


Hi Nick,

OK, how do you get your feet from updog to downdog then? It's this bit I'm not too sure of-it usually involves a certain amount of fudging around that I can't really see so I'm not sure the feet have sorted themselves out in the right alignment or distance form the hands.

Ian
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savasana2
Posted 2007-04-11 6:31 AM (#82996 - in reply to #81904)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation


ian****er, just an approximation:
to find the right distance, for you, between the hands and feet in AMS is tricky sometimes. one place to start is to go into a cat-cow position, i.e on your hands and knees, push the hips back towards the heels while lenghtening your hands forwards. you would be in what would like like a child's pose except that your knees are not wide. then lift into AMS and see how that feels. you may or may not have to make minimal adjustments from there.

Sav.

Edited by savasana2 2007-04-11 6:33 AM
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Nick
Posted 2007-04-11 8:45 AM (#83001 - in reply to #82995)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation



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Location: London, England		Hi Ian,
Put the knees down on the floor so you can lift your feet and turn them over. I guarantee that if you told any foot specialist that you rolled over your feet as a part of your exercise routine, they would be dumbfounded.
As far as foot placement goes, once again the updog is important-because if you have pulled your self over the floor properly to updog, the feet should be the right distance apart, and also as close as you are going to get to your hands. This means that you are then capable of using bandha both to hold the posture and also try to lift well to the next posture-when people have their hands too far from their feet, you often see the abdominal wall hollow, not brace properly.

Nick
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iandicker
Posted 2007-04-11 8:58 AM (#83003 - in reply to #83001)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation


Hi Nick,

Thanks for that-makes more sense than the rolling over the feet thing. I could never work that one out at all.

Ian
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Nick
Posted 2007-04-11 9:35 AM (#83009 - in reply to #83003)
Subject: RE: The Sun Salutation



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Location: London, England		Hi Ian,
No, neither could I-but then again, they used to bind women's feet in China-can't work that one out either, but they still did it I realize that some practicioners can get away with it, but what's the point?-especially when it doesn't contribute to anything good.

Nick
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