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Nick
Posted 2007-05-10 4:16 PM (#85886 - in reply to #85881)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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Hi Jonnie,
Well, i should think every chiropractic student has a tale of woe from alll the practice you do on each other Once, I ended up with incredible knee pain for two weeks from a badly performed adjustment-still have trouble with that knee. But you get good, fast. There's a steep learning curve for the adjustments to have the best possible effect with the greatest safety.
Take care
Nick
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tourist
Posted 2007-05-10 7:13 PM (#85904 - in reply to #85885)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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I would agree that making sure the student keeping the neck safe while entering and exiting the pose, as well as during the holding of it, are crucially important. But I do believe other entries (bent knees for example) while giving different effects, are equally valid and safe.
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iandicker
Posted 2007-05-11 3:21 AM (#85945 - in reply to #85872)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



purnayoga - 2007-05-09 11:54 AM

Could someone tell me, in 200 words or less please, what the enormous preoccupation with entry into Sirsasana is all about? I've not seen so much pomp and circumstance about an asana entry before. No one is asking "oh my god, how do I lift my foot in Vrksasana" or even "what do I do with my thoracic spine in Setu Bandha".

Sorry Purna, I seem to have tilted the focus of this thread. My preoccupation with entry is that I can't get into sirsasana without a wall yet, though I think I was closer than ever this morning (thanks to all of you who gave me advice).



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Nick
Posted 2007-05-11 3:45 AM (#85947 - in reply to #85945)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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Hi Ian,
It was you who started this thread, you can tilt it any way you like-it's all connected.

Nick
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Nick
Posted 2007-05-11 3:53 AM (#85948 - in reply to #85947)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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Hi Ian,
Just posted this picture up in the tensegrity thread-if you turn the picture upside down, that's what I want you to be doing!
Take care, get tense
Nick



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Nick
Posted 2007-05-11 3:56 AM (#85949 - in reply to #85948)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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There you go!

Edited by Nick 2007-05-11 3:57 AM




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jonnie
Posted 2007-05-11 7:29 AM (#85956 - in reply to #83711)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana


Thanks for that. It now makes complete sense.
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jonnie
Posted 2007-05-11 7:29 AM (#85957 - in reply to #83711)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana


NOT
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TampaEric
Posted 2007-05-11 10:05 AM (#85968 - in reply to #85948)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana


I studied the figure drawing in college. I received my MFA in painting.

the proportions of this model are off.

a figure should be about 8 heads high. This one is about 6. The length of the top of your head to the bottom of your chin times 8.

Eric


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Nick
Posted 2007-05-11 10:06 AM (#85969 - in reply to #85957)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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Hi Jonnie,
Believe it or not, Albert is actually the ideal teacher and training partner

Nick
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iandicker
Posted 2007-05-14 3:37 AM (#86179 - in reply to #85969)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana


Nick,

Wow! Some teacher! Where are his classes? Transylvania?

Looks like he puts all his weight on his head though and waving his hands is just showing off. He must have tensegrity like iron, or even reinforced concrete.

I've had a couple of work enforced days off, but this morning's sirsana was the best ever I think. Almost got my toes to lift off, though the new arm/hand configuration is still a bit strange to me. Feels like my head is tucking in a bit (off the floor though) and I ended up looking at my navel instead of my toes as I have been doing. Is this right?

I tried to take a pic but I couldn't quite get the framing to get my glutes in. I'll have another go tomorrow.

Ian
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Nick
Posted 2007-05-14 3:56 AM (#86180 - in reply to #86179)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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Hi Ian,
in the future, I imagine we will be able to see him as a holographic 3-D yoga teacher But that may be some way off
Sounds like the head position isn't quite there yet-if you get the lift right, I find the back of my skull gets pushed against the flexor compartment of my forearms. But i take care to postion my skull correctly to achieve this. When you feel the back of the skull against the forearms, try to use this to lever the spine upright, which pulls the feet off the floor as the hips are basically extending in some manner.

Nick
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iandicker
Posted 2007-05-14 6:23 AM (#86194 - in reply to #86180)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana


Nick,

Ok jargon alert!

Where exactly is my forearm flexor compartment? Is it between the two forearm bones?

Ian
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Nick
Posted 2007-05-14 7:30 AM (#86200 - in reply to #86194)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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ian****er - 2007-05-14 11:23 AM

Nick,

Ok jargon alert!

Where exactly is my forearm flexor compartment? Is it between the two forearm bones?

Ian

Sorry Ian, as I was writing it, there were jargon sirens filling my living room, but I decided to inflict it on you anyway The flexor compartment is the front of your forearm from the elbow to the wrist-it contains the flexor muscles of the wrist and hand-on the back, you have the extensor compartment.

Nick
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iandicker
Posted 2007-05-15 3:02 AM (#86288 - in reply to #86200)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana


Dear All,

Latest attempt. I think I'm getting closer, but I'm prepared to hear the truth. Be brutal if you need too. Look away now if you are of a nervous disposition.....



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Nick
Posted 2007-05-15 3:27 AM (#86290 - in reply to #86288)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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Hi Ian,
Rah! Which, by the way, is a Sydenham victory shout Well, close to victory, anyway. The only puzzling thing is, your feet aren't pointing towards the ceiling Are your palms together?
Also, whilst it's completely normal for your face to go red, i think it's going a bit redder than noraml because yuo are you probably using too much effort-once you start using this much effort, it stops being a healthy posture-you are probably doing something called a Valsalva maneuvre, which I think I've mentioned before-or at least partially. this raises blood pressure and is not considered to be part of any therapeutic exercise-so don't do it again
But then, it might be because you are new to this, relax into it as soon as you can, you need to be having a 'condor moment,' for the entire headstand
Is it just me, or do you have very long legs? they look like mine

Nick
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Nick
Posted 2007-05-15 5:46 AM (#86299 - in reply to #86288)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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Hi Ian,
I posted but it's not showing up That looks great-but it looks like you might be performing a valsalva maneuvre to try to get your feet off the floor. This means you are restraining your breath, which probably accounts for the red face and the frown It is normal for the face to go red, but I think you are using too much effort-perhaps work on going up into the posture with bent legs? That's up to you-personally, you look so close to doing it with straight legs, I would carry on, maybe.
Also, it looks to me like you allowing your spine to be pushed towards the wall behind you, so that your weight is not distributed across your forearms and hands, but is probably concentrated across the wrists and hands. This will give you a more stable platform from which to lift those legs. As you re-distribute your weight, you may find that your shoulders spiral, so that the back of the upper arm and elbow get pushed into the floor. Then the ground reaction force increases, which pushes you up to the ceiling.

Nick
OOPS! That last post was there, hope this adds to it

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OrangeMat
Posted 2007-05-15 7:18 AM (#86302 - in reply to #86288)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana


Hey Ian,

I practiced this same attempt last night in class as well. Couldn't get my feet to disconnect from the floor, and in fact, felt that my arms were barely getting any body weight, very strange. Then the teacher advised me to suck my hip creases back (inner groins, what have you) into my body, thereby puffing out the kidneys. I ended up having to bend my knees because there still wouldn't have been any liftoff otherwise, but at least I felt the weight get redistributed properly.

The trick, I found, was keeping the ribcage pulling away from gravity so that you can still breathe easy and not dump onto the head itself, while having the kidney area full to get that bird-tipping action. I'm still not there yet either, btw, but it's nice to at least have a clue as to which direction I need to go.

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iandicker
Posted 2007-05-15 7:59 AM (#86303 - in reply to #86302)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana


Hi Nick/OM,

I think they are my legs, even though they look like yours, last time I looked down they were definitely attached.

I'm guessing that the red face is due to trying to do everything quickly enough to be in a decent position before the flash went off.

Let you know when they (the legs) are up in the air!

Thanks for the help,

Ian
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Nick
Posted 2007-05-15 9:53 AM (#86308 - in reply to #86303)
Subject: RE: Sirsasana



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Hi Ian,
I don't think I could do it that quickly-you need another model, I think-or one that takes the picture when you wink

Nick
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