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Secret Chakras in The Brain
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Mysticsky
Posted 2007-07-02 5:20 PM (#90523)
Subject: Secret Chakras in The Brain


Excerpted from:

Light on Ananda Yoga
by Maharishi Data Dayal


Chapter 7


It is not everyone that becomes spiritual. People do not aspire for the Kingdom of Heaven as much as they hanker after the kingdom of Earth. Look around and verify this truth yourself. One who desires spiritual uplift needs to be bathed in the Celestial Fire that burns within his Self. For, the path to Heaven leads through himself and to his Self, and it is the internal fire or the Light within, which by and by leads him to the furnace the effulgent Luminosity. This is the sign of the Fourth Heaven inside. The initiated one feels it, perceives it and is affected by it. The fire within, that flickering spark lying dormant, when ignited by initiation, becomes inflamed; leading the Light seeker to the transcendent realms and further beyond.


Otherwise, in the whirlpool of sensory and motor currents, an individual's attention descends downward every day and ascends to their causes every night. "Eat, drink and be merry," is the motto of such a person. They want, but their wants are not satisfied. For in the realm of desire, infinite desires abound. One desire is partially relieved and thousands more approach and engulf a person on all sides. Similarly, when filling a water jug, the depression caused by the submersion, surrounds and fills the jug by an inrush of water from all sides. How can one expect to become without want and desireless, where craving and desires rule supreme? The mind and senses must go on creating their offspring day by day, denying peace and quietude to the dweller of the three-in-one body (causal, astral and gross). However, not much preaching is required for spiritual uplift. (Inner) ascension above is the only essential step that sets the fettered being free, into the sphere of Liberation.


This emergence into 1) the fire of initiation is the first process where the concept of 2) the Ishta Deva (Divine Ideal) is imparted to the seeker. These two go side-by-side and when some progress is made within and the progressive soul feels conscious of it; the third process, the Sound Principle, is taught. Here we utilise three aspects of devotion:

1. Life
2. Light
3. Love

...leading to the realm where these three co-mingle with each other and become One. There, the dualistic idea of the tri-lateral Reality is lost, since Reality is nothing but Reality, being neither one, two or three. And when this stage is reached, the elevated soul is showered with Divine Grace. There and then only do goodwill and Peace rule supreme and in no other case.

Click below to read the full excerpt of this online serialization:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Faqir_Chand_Legacy/
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Posted 2007-07-06 6:15 PM (#90860 - in reply to #90523)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


The desire to be free of desire is just another desire!

Edited by jimg 2007-07-06 6:16 PM
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Kaos
Posted 2007-07-06 6:44 PM (#90863 - in reply to #90860)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


jimg - 2007-07-06 6:15 PM

The desire to be free of desire is just another desire!



Yes, in a sense it is. But it is the lowest form of desire.

In Mahayana Buddhism, the Desire Realm is the lowest level of cyclic existence within the Form Realm, and the one in which we exist. The meditator views the lower level as gross, seeks to overcome it, and the higher one as sublte and seeks to attain it.

In Mahayana Buddhism, the meditative states, called the four absorptions within the Formless Realm, encompass the highest levels of cyclic existence. Notice, these levels still fall under cyclic existence.







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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-07-06 11:20 PM (#90874 - in reply to #90860)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


Desire to be free of Desire is also a Desire. But the difference in two desires is the difference between

- Light due to presence of Sun

- Darkness due to absence of Sun.

In this case:

- Light due to absence of Desire

and

- Darkness due to presence of Desire.


Peace




jimg - 2007-07-06 6:15 PM

The desire to be free of desire is just another desire!
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Kaos
Posted 2007-07-07 2:27 PM (#90893 - in reply to #90523)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


When one enters meditation practice, it is not the goal to immediately and totally rid oneself of desires overnight. Rather, meditation practice, is a path or process, particularly from the Mahayana Buddhist point of view, is a means to realize one's true nature and that of reality itself, which is empty, like unadorned space.

In Tibetan Buddhism, this is called, the lam-rim, (gradual attainment) path of enlightenment.


If to be totally devoid of all forms of desires, is sufficient, then perhaps, the stone is enlightened.
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kulkarnn
Posted 2007-07-07 2:59 PM (#90896 - in reply to #90893)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


Fantastic. Thank You.


Kaos - 2007-07-07 2:27 PM

If to be totally devoid of all forms of desires, is sufficient, then perhaps, the stone is enlightened.
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Posted 2007-07-10 12:48 PM (#91080 - in reply to #90893)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


Attainment, however gradual, is still desire. Choiceless awareness is not.

I think that as long as you are alive, you cannot escape desire. (Your autonomic body has it's own desires.) My view is that it is not desire but the lack of awareness of our desires that is the problem. When you are aware of desire, you can choose to act on it or not. When your beliefs, your self image, or you ego/pride do not allow a particular desire, that desire is sublimated and it controls you.
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Kaos
Posted 2007-07-10 2:07 PM (#91087 - in reply to #91080)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


jimg - 2007-07-10 12:48 PM

Attainment, however gradual, is still desire. Choiceless awareness is not.




A state of choiceless awareness, perhaps, you refer to "calm abiding" in the Buddhist sense, does not happen by itself, especially in this busy modern world.


It is attained through practice and perfection of meditation "dhyana paramita".

If you consider that kind of attainment as a form of desire, then it is positive form of desire, which brings good karma.


If "choiceless awareness" is sufficient, then drunks and those in a semi-dazed stupor would qualify.

What is lacking is the wisdom to know the difference. The perfection of wisdom, and that is "prajna paramita."





Edited by Kaos 2007-07-10 2:15 PM
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Posted 2007-07-10 2:46 PM (#91089 - in reply to #91087)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


Drunks etc are not aware. Their state is a reduction in sensitivity not an increased sensivity.
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Kaos
Posted 2007-07-10 4:16 PM (#91104 - in reply to #91089)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


jimg - 2007-07-10 2:46 PM

Drunks etc are not aware. Their state is a reduction in sensitivity not an increased sensivity.



For the same reason, that neither ordinary highly sensitive people are really aware, unless they have mastered their minds with mindfulness.

An untamed highly sensitive mind might as well be sleeping.





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Posted 2007-07-10 5:28 PM (#91109 - in reply to #91104)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


What is it that masters the mind?
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Kaos
Posted 2007-07-10 6:33 PM (#91115 - in reply to #91109)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


jimg - 2007-07-10 5:28 PM

What is it that masters the mind?



The awareness that is related with the essence of emptiness.

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Kaos
Posted 2007-07-10 6:43 PM (#91116 - in reply to #91089)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


jimg - 2007-07-10 2:46 PM

Drunks etc are not aware. Their state is a reduction in sensitivity not an increased sensivity.



It depends.

"Spiritual drunkards" such as certain yogins and Sufi mystics can be so dissociated from the ordinary world during ecstasy.

Ordinary drunkards are just intoxicated with alcohol.

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Posted 2007-07-10 7:44 PM (#91117 - in reply to #91116)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


The one is turning off and the other is turning on.

Intoxication is the body shutting down due to the need to process a toxic substance and therefore turning off all non vital functions until the toxin is processed, diluted and expelled or the person dies. This is the probably opposite of ecstasy just as insanity and genius are similar but opposite.

"The awareness that is related with the essence of emptiness."

Isn't this "choiceless awareness" or awareness without editorial comment, identification, memory or desire?
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Kaos
Posted 2007-07-11 1:39 PM (#91198 - in reply to #91117)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brain


jimg - 2007-07-10 7:44 PM

"The awareness that is related with the essence of emptiness."

Isn't this "choiceless awareness" or awareness without editorial comment, identification, memory or desire?



Vipassana (insight meditation) result in samatha (calm abiding).

After watching thoughts and emotions come and go, we begin to see them clearly for what they are. Empty and ephemeral.

Then they no longer have the power to destabilize us, and we begin to change.

Insight meditation on the graduated path (lam-rim) is the actual way to liberation as pointed out by the late Lama Thubten Yeshe. To actualize the right view to emptiness we have to practice with both wisdom and method. Thinking and talking about it with the limited medium of language is not enough.

Namaste
Kaos



Edited by Kaos 2007-07-11 1:40 PM
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emptyfull
Posted 2008-09-22 12:53 PM (#110998 - in reply to #90523)
Subject: RE: Secret Chakras in The Brai


Interesting.

One may observe another and "think" that the person is reacting and controlled by a desire when inf fact that person is flowing freely through all experience. When that person is "seeing" the other, they are only seeing their own ego (interior) in the world - projected. The ego will have an experience (or observe another) and then instantly attach and incorporate the experience or observation into its limited dream-understandings; i.e having sex is wrong or not spiritual, or "real" spiritual people give away their things or leave their relationships, or eating this or saying that is less-then perfect or realized or whatever - THESE ARE THINGS, AND NO THING IS THAT WHICH YOU SEEK -- when a realized being is only flowing through without these structured or material dialogs knowing without having to think about if they know, and are thus at peace and free to BE.

Very seldom is what we DO a problem, it is what THINK about after what we have done that is.

Judgment is subtle.



Edited by emptyfull 2008-09-22 1:00 PM
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